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Offline Saletsia

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Controversial topic
« on: March 26, 2007, 12:24:27 PM »
I found this in the net while looking for ghost stories:http://bibleprobe.com/muhammad.htm

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Re: Controversial topic
« Reply #1 on: March 26, 2007, 06:32:44 PM »
How much of this is true? It's written from the perspective of a Christian who has a vested interest in denouncing Islam. For starters, the Koran denies the divinity of Jesus. It also more or less calls Christians hypocrites because they claim to fulfill the Jewish Torah, and yet deny some of the Torah's most basic commandments and beliefs (God is not a man, worship only God, et cetera). I take the content of websites like that with a grain of salt.
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Re: Controversial topic
« Reply #2 on: March 26, 2007, 06:46:13 PM »
Sure, reading different propaganda pieces still though is at times interesting XD

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Re: Controversial topic
« Reply #3 on: March 27, 2007, 11:50:32 PM »
Of course it's interesting, but it's also a rather subjective issue. I can see the Christian side of the argument, but I also understand the Islamic side of things, as well.

The Christians tend to read into the violence of the Koran, but convieniently ignore all instances of violence in their own Bible (Canaanite genocide, for example, or Jesus saying that he came "not to bring peace, but the sword). Christians also tend to judge Muhammad according to Western European standards, while sort of ignoring the fact that 7th century Arabia isn't the same place as, say, 21st century America. Christians also like to forget the violence that Christianity has done unto others, from crusades to inquisitions to forced conversions. The legacy continues in the 21st century, with an avowed Christian, President George W. Bush, giving orders for the American military to invade and occupy two (Islamic) countries. In comparison, the Islamic religion suffers from theological and doctrinal stagnation (as does Christianity) and, like the Christianity, has a history of intolerance and violence against others, be they other Muslims, People of the Book (Jews and Christians), Hindus, et cetera. If the case is made that Muhammad was a terrorist, I'd say it's equally fair to accuse Jesus of the same. The only thing that differs in Islam is that the factionalism is less than it is in Christianity (Sunni and Shia as compared to literally thousands of denominations of Christianity).

Christians have a deep-seated set of beliefs, and Islam is a very real threat to this religion of theirs. They see over a billion people who honor the holy writings of the Jews and Christians, and who are gaining ground on them in terms of numbers. Oppositely, Islam, rightly or wrongly, feels hemmed in by the Western countries. All kinds of accusations fly back and forth and blood has been spilled and is being spilled right now. It isn't pretty.
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Offline Myroria

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Re: Controversial topic
« Reply #4 on: March 28, 2007, 12:01:53 AM »
Islam is a religion of peace and, in fact, it's MORE peaceful than Christianity. Stupid idiots like those convieniently overlook the Crusades, and the WWII Pope's IGNORING OF ALL NAZI ATROCITIES.
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Re: Controversial topic
« Reply #5 on: March 28, 2007, 12:15:26 AM »
The Crusades were over a thousand years ago.  I'll admit that the Muslims were more civilized than Christians THEN.

IMHO, the biggest difference between the two religions is that the Muslim nutcases are taken seriously.  When a Muslim leader tells his followers to riot over a stupid cartoon, they do it!  Very few Christians listen to Fred Phelps.

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Re: Controversial topic
« Reply #6 on: March 28, 2007, 12:17:44 AM »
I'm gonna wait for Phelps to die in a car crash then go there with a sign in the design of his that reads "God loves car accidents".
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Re: Controversial topic
« Reply #7 on: March 28, 2007, 12:23:22 AM »
I'm gonna wait for Phelps to die in a car crash then go there with a sign in the design of his that reads "God loves car accidents".
He's the guy who went to Matthew Shepard's funeral with a "God Hates Fags" sign, right?  Or am I screwing up my religious nutcases?


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Re: Controversial topic
« Reply #8 on: March 28, 2007, 12:27:07 AM »
Yes. He does that in many funerals. One time he came to Maine, and some kickass guy took one of his followers' signs and broke it over his knee.
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Re: Controversial topic
« Reply #9 on: March 28, 2007, 12:30:10 AM »
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Re: Controversial topic
« Reply #10 on: March 28, 2007, 02:05:42 AM »
Neither religion is innocent of violence. The history (and holy books) of the three Abrahamic religions is replete with scenes of holy carnage.  O:-)
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Re: Controversial topic
« Reply #11 on: March 28, 2007, 06:14:51 AM »
sites like that are what make me more and more sure Christianity is completely bunk

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Re: Controversial topic
« Reply #12 on: March 28, 2007, 07:11:49 AM »
Islam is a religion of peace and, in fact, it's MORE peaceful than Christianity. Stupid idiots like those convieniently overlook the Crusades, and the WWII Pope's IGNORING OF ALL NAZI ATROCITIES.

I understand the criticism of Christianity since it surely has committed its fair part of mistakes throughout history. That example with WW2 though is not that legitimate, especially in this comparison to Islam.

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Jesus saying that he came "not to bring peace, but the sword).
   
Any sources?

Regarding to the Westminster Borough "Church"...I myself do not even consider them as Christians...they're just a bunch of idiots with no lives to be happy about XD

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sites like that are what make me more and more sure Christianity is completely bunk

believe me there are worse sites like than that :-P Oddly enough the ones with such fundamental and radical views mostly are new-age protestant communities...

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Re: Controversial topic
« Reply #13 on: March 28, 2007, 04:56:29 PM »
sites like that are what make me more and more sure Christianity is completely bunk

Christianity predicates itself upon concepts that aren't to be found at all in the Jewish religion. Christianity is more of a Egyptian/Greco-Roman religion than it is anything else, regardless of what the apologists say.
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Re: Controversial topic
« Reply #14 on: March 28, 2007, 07:16:08 PM »
sites like that are what make me more and more sure Christianity is completely bunk

Christianity predicates itself upon concepts that aren't to be found at all in the Jewish religion. Christianity is more of a Egyptian/Greco-Roman religion than it is anything else, regardless of what the apologists say.

That I highly doubt. But  to each his own ;)