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Offline Ryazania

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Re: Columbine has been surpassed
« Reply #45 on: April 22, 2007, 08:22:53 PM »
Soldier's jobs aren't to kill, if they are forced to kill they have already failed.

Tell that to the United States Marine Corps.
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Re: Columbine has been surpassed
« Reply #46 on: April 22, 2007, 09:06:17 PM »
Well, most of them are probably too stupid to understand it anyway...

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Re: Columbine has been surpassed
« Reply #47 on: April 22, 2007, 09:11:28 PM »
Hehehehehe.

Marines aren't paid to think, but to do.
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Re: Columbine has been surpassed
« Reply #48 on: April 22, 2007, 09:13:51 PM »
And that's the one MAJOR flaw of professional armies

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Re: Columbine has been surpassed
« Reply #49 on: April 22, 2007, 09:22:06 PM »
At least I'm not forced to do any service. I don't recall that anyone has a higher right to my time and work other than myself.

That is the BIGGEST flaw of a conscription army.
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Re: Columbine has been surpassed
« Reply #50 on: April 22, 2007, 09:42:28 PM »
That's only a flaw to someone who is so cowardly that they aren't prepared to fight personally for what they belive in and so selfish they pay others to do their dirty work.

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Re: Columbine has been surpassed
« Reply #51 on: April 22, 2007, 09:45:24 PM »
My french teacher went to Virgina Tech, and she was freaking out all last week. Since she was french major, and the french class got annihilated, she's been saying that if she was there 10 years ago, she would be dead. Pretty freaky.
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« Reply #52 on: April 22, 2007, 09:46:48 PM »
Can certainly understand that Alger :S

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Re: Columbine has been surpassed
« Reply #53 on: April 22, 2007, 09:56:55 PM »
That's only a flaw to someone who is so cowardly that they aren't prepared to fight personally for what they belive in and so selfish they pay others to do their dirty work.

Don't you dare call me a fucking coward. I am referring to the fact that compulsory military service is basically the government saying that have a higher priority to your life than you do.
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Re: Columbine has been surpassed
« Reply #54 on: April 22, 2007, 10:03:36 PM »
If my government ever tried to force me into the army, I will work to remove the government
end of discussion for me
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« Reply #55 on: April 22, 2007, 11:13:16 PM »
Can certainly understand that Alger :S

I know. I feel bad for her.
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Re: Columbine has been surpassed
« Reply #56 on: April 23, 2007, 12:11:03 AM »
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Well, most of them are probably too stupid to understand it anyway...

Don't you fucking DARE insult the USMC. Most of my relatives were in it, and none of them are stupid. I'm tired of your bitching. Don't critisize us for being inpolite when you insult an entire army. You were in one, you're only insulting yourself.
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Re: Columbine has been surpassed
« Reply #57 on: April 23, 2007, 02:00:54 AM »
Hello.  Sorry, haven't been here for long yet, but, well, thought it would be best to just jump right in.

Being an American, I have to say that anyone who badmouths the Constitution is asking for it.  The United States is the only nation in the world ruled by a piece of paper, and we're proud of it.  Granted, the current leaders ignore it, but, well, if they try and stay past their two-term limit, well, then, that's what the second amendment is for, nu?

The second amendment to the US constitution is very important to our continued liberty and security.  Granted, every wacko and his cousin should not be able to get a gun, that is what gun restrictions are for.  However, the government having all the guns is not acceptable.  We have to be able to revolt in a case where our liberties are being revoked and destroyed.  The right of revolution is practically guaranteed by the second amendment, and that is very important.  Look at all of these nations that have banned guns, nations with forms of government similar to the United States.  All of them have lost democracy.  Every single one.

Now, European-style democracies, they don't have as much of a need for an armed population, as the executive is far less powerful in most democracies.  However, the very nature of the executive power in the United States implies that, if it is abused greatly, we must be able to eliminate it.  From the nation's own founding document:

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We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed, by their Creator, with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness.

That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles, and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object, evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.

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Therefore, the second amendment is necessary.  However, gun control laws are also necessary.  For example, the gunman in this case had been classified a "danger to himself and others".  Such should merit the confiscation of any owned firearms and the preventing of him from buying them.  He bought the gun illegally, however.  Therefore, illegal guns must be cracked down upon.  How?

My proposal would be that every gun is printed with an individual ID code right out of the factory.  Also, to require that all gun owners be of adult age, and that all gun owners pass a psychological examination before being permitted to own a gun.

Well, there's my rant.

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Re: Columbine has been surpassed
« Reply #58 on: April 23, 2007, 02:55:21 AM »
You words are so wise. I respect the way you stand up for our country.

Remember the true enemy of the USA is not Muslims, it has been and always will be communists. F*ck commies.
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Re: Columbine has been surpassed
« Reply #59 on: April 23, 2007, 03:08:18 AM »
Actually, communism is an ultimate ideal which actually fits the United States in many ways.  It's just the ultimate ideal has never been realized.  And, government owning the means of production and all the land is anti-American, but otherwise, a generally good idea.  It's implementation always sucks though.  So, Communism = Alright.  Communists = bad.

I myself am not represented by either political party.  I'm for private ownership of property, but government regulation.  I'm in favor of government-sponsored pensions, and government-sponsored health care (though not all government-owned and operated like in some countries).  I'm against the use of military force until all other options have been utilized.  I'm against the government screwing with privacy rights and being in the bedroom, and I'm against security cameras watching everywhere.  I'm for gun control, but not for gun bans.  I'm against the death penalty in most cases (there are some mean, evil sons of guns that deserve death, but far fewer than actually receive the death penalty).  I'm in favor of a strong, all-volunteer, modern military, that does not use state militias in foreign conflict.  I'm in favor of welfare for those who have honestly lost their jobs and can't get new ones.

So, in general, I'm against the Bush Administration on almost every single solitary issue.