Taijitu
Forum Meta => Government of Taijitu, 2014 => Archive => Executive Branch => Topic started by: McMasterdonia on February 07, 2013, 01:25:04 PM
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When I first joined Taijitu, it was my way of finding a nice, welcoming and cosy community away from the drama and political manoeuvring of other regions. We had an active Delegate, we were doing well recruitment wise, and our activity levels on the forum were good. We had a dedicated player base, Funkadelia, Cozulul, Wast, Letonna, Gulliver, Myroria, Eluvatar, Delfos and myself. There were some others who came in to join us casually from time to time, but generally this forum was sustained by the activity of the 9 of us.
Together we were all important parts of the Taijitu government. Either as carefree Senators (Myroria, Letonna, Cozulul and Myself), loud and vocal citizens/conspiracy theorists (Delfos). There was Wast with his hilarity and daily polls. Gulliver and Funkadelia leading the region, and Eluvatar our chief of law, dryly quoting the law whenever given the opportunity. It was also accompanied by a small amount of RP.
For a while, this was enough. The community hummed along nicely, we all contributed in our own way and things were going good. Taijitu was a home to many of us, and an important part of our lives. I'm not entirely sure what changed that.
I think a big thing was losing Gulliver. Once he slipped off into inactivity and recruiting basically entirely stopped a lot of the community started to slow down. The truth is, there wasn't much to change, in terms of government structure or errors of the law for the Taijitu Senate, and addressing issues of the Founder nation soon became tiresome for us, and we lost interest. One could say that Taijitu almost has the perfect government system. Too perfect even. Another issue was that nearly every referendum did not meet the quorum requirements, so the constitution could not be changed, even if we wanted it to be.
I'm not going to put blame on anyone. I think that game has been played and was clearly wrong. I'm just as much to blame as anyone else for the inactive state that we find ourselves in today. One needs only look and realize that the biggest poster on our forums recently was Unibot, ambassador from the United defenders league to see that this rings true. None of us are doing much to sustain this community that we know and love, and certainly aren't doing much to grow it.
I'm not sure what can be done to fix it. I know Eluturtle will pop up and say recruitment! I know that's important. I think though, we as a community and the active people devoted to it, should consider other ways for us to grow the community. I would not be opposed to throwing out the constitution and holding a convention to redraft a new one. We could do something similar with the legal code. Taijitu needs to become an active player in Foreign Diplomacy like it once was, and possibly in the area of military gameplay as well. I honestly don't care whether the army is Defender only, or Raider only. I just think we need to adapt and change, and do what we can to keep this community alive.
If there is nobody interested in that, then I guess we must resign ourselves to the fact that possibly Taijitu has had it's day. A sad thought, given the region's proud past, and the community it once had. That said, it was my pleasure to have been a part of this community, for even such a short time.
I just thought I would share my thoughts on the situation before us.
McMasterdonia
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I miss Taijitu. I visit the forums everyday in a hope someone has posted something. I agree with you that perhaps a radical jolt like a whole constitution change may help, but I'm not sure...maybe it's to far gone
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meh, lack of workforce and availability of those that are active and can propose and do things. As Letonna I've been checking the forums when I can, less often, I could propose stuff but I don't have the availability to carry them forward, nor the "political will" to work around the inactivity issue. In fact, I think what lacks most is political will.
Also, Loud and Vocal is what makes democracy, being "citizens" or "conspiracy theorists" doesn't matter, making you think twice, hear people, accept other views makes things dynamic. I suggest watching Parks and Recreation, we need a Leslie Knope to put everything to work, not Kim Jong-un.
Maybe we should scrap the constitution and do the reform we were going to do, citizens assembly and whatnot.
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When I called you a conspiracy theorist, I meant it in a nice way. You are right that is what makes democracy, and you were a vital part of that.
I think it might be worth getting a new forum. This one looks old and tired to me. I think it would be better if we restarted completely on Zetaboards. A fresh clean slate could be nice for us.
I think, we should throw out the constitution and hold the committee. I don't think it's possible for us to do that though, due to quorum requirements of the constitution that are unrealistic due to our current activity levels. I think we as the dedicated community should be able to simply decide to do this, and do it. Damn what requirements and restrictions are put upon us.
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I'd also like to know what the Delegate thinks about this.. if he is around.
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Our Mightiness Oz, come forward. I also want to hear Elu.
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*twiddles thumbs*
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No, I don't think Zeta is the right way forward. I believe that a forum software which is free but allows you to have your database would work best in the long term for Taijitu.
Regardless of my political role in Osiris, I'll be happy to do anything that I can to help Taijitu if I'm needed.
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I just said Zeta because I think a fresh start might be best. Anyone new who joins this forum would just see ancient threads everywhere and little activity. Might be best to start again.
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I think Mcmasterdonia has a nice idea
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I'm willing to create a new forum, and will start on one right away. I don't mind if we decide not to use it, but I think it's something we should definitely consider.
Another important things to consider is the fact that the Founder nation is close to ceasing to exist again. If Eluvatar does not log into it, we will have to try and get in contact with one of the founders. Hopefully they have accurate email contacts on this, or Letonna might be able to get in hold of Myro in RL.
Eluvatar has also disappeared from TNP and I don't know when he will return.
Are we all in favour of removing the constitution and holding a convention to draft a new one?
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Here is my forum: http://w11.zetaboards.com/Taijitu/index/
Like I said, I don't mind if we don't use it! I had fun making it... but it does look nice
You both should come on IRC more so we can discuss things in real time... do it.
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It looks so cute :)
I've sort of lost interest in the game. Between the foolishness of TNP (which I don't get bored of occasionally reading) and the total inactivity here, plus my commitments to a gaming community I joined in July, as well as a lot of new games that have taken me away from NS, it sort of lost its luster. Someday soon I might get back to the game, but as for right now I don't know. It was just disappointing to attempt to fix it so often and nothing ever working. I hope you can find a fix for things soon. Like I've said, do things in the international sphere to get renown, that's what makes people think of you.
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I like the new forum now we need to populate again and I think perhaps bring the concerns of subforums into the structure of our laws such that interest should be constant and concerns addressed in immediacy. We need to recruit for sure but more importantly is creating a more heavily interactive environment as we once did, this has always been what has lead to the vibrance and power of our community, our Taijitu. In my opinion although credit is due to those who do the political heavy lifting and site maintenance, we should recognize that it was more players such as Mama Khab and her ilk who really brought our community together and allowed it to grow to the heights we once attained. So in short I don't care if we raid or defend or any of that, I care about perhaps rekindling an active and vibrant community of wonderful human beings (ourselves among them) interacting meaningfully through this our medium and common pastime.
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IT CAME FROM OUTER SPACE!
A Meteor fragmented over the Taijitu area and created chaos amongst several nations, now they all unite to rebuild and get things working again.
News feed: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xq9ZeBn5qA8
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It looks so cute :)
I've sort of lost interest in the game. Between the foolishness of TNP (which I don't get bored of occasionally reading) and the total inactivity here, plus my commitments to a gaming community I joined in July, as well as a lot of new games that have taken me away from NS, it sort of lost its luster. Someday soon I might get back to the game, but as for right now I don't know. It was just disappointing to attempt to fix it so often and nothing ever working. I hope you can find a fix for things soon. Like I've said, do things in the international sphere to get renown, that's what makes people think of you.
Funkadelia you make me sad :|
I like what you have said Phather Bad Drugs. It would be nice to hear from Eluvatar or someone who has access to Toaster so we could use it for recruitment.
Do we wish to use the new forum?
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Taijitu has its own domain name, so any forum that is created should really use its domain and current resources - just because Taijitu shouldn't stop using the resources it has.
Park a new forum, if we use Zeta at a domain name that can be accessed easily, but keep this around for historical purposes.
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Hi. Technically I shouldn't be delegate anymore, but we never held any new elections... so.... I'm in this awkward position. I largely became delegate because it was during my winter break, and I had time to worry about silly things like NS politics. However, I found out pretty quickly that I hate NS politics since it's just a big fucking popularity contest full of anal lawyers/lawyers-to-be/wannabe-lawyers. So, I'm not really going to try putting Taijitu on the diplomatic field because I think it's utterly boring, uneventful, and a big waste of time, but! if you all are up to it, then I can try to liven up RP. Some ideas that I have thought of is going to reddit's /r/writing and /r/worldbuilding subreddits and perhaps advertising Taijitu to them. Maybe some more people in our RP might jump start it again. Then again, I've held up on the idea because I'd like to make Taijitu's wiki more presentable, so that people would be more interested. Making a new forum though, that's silly. Just use this one.
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I like the way you think, Oz.
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Oh no, please don't tell him that!
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TOOO LATE EGO FULLY CHARGED!
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:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:
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Well, I figured I'd pop my head in and see if there was anything interesting RP wise going on.
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I was trying to but nobody seemed really motivated enough. Maybe when the summer hits...
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Awww :(
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Or now, if people want to start waking up.
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Well, if something gets going and looks stable I can get I-S on board.
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Only problem is we'd have to re-add you Sovereign-Dixie, you've been gone for so long that we just kinda had to erase you for novimir which generated some inspiration but not enough.
Anywho, How about we just add you as southern region of novimir and then call it a night
PS I am drunk
PPS Please let's talk tomorrow morning SD because I got drunk because willy nillies of girls and drinking and yes. Laidness and stuff. anywho let's talk about this.
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LOL that's fine I suppose but I don't be around this morning much. about to go to bed soon. I'll be around later in the evening.
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RP? Taijitu sunk and we all ended up stranded on a mysterious island. There's only one deity, the Lord of the Flies.
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Good thing I brought the bug spray.
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10 days ago: The Empire of Letonna ceased to exist.
3 days 18 hours ago: The Confederate States of Sovereign Dixie ceased to exist.
The Free Land of Taijitu Founder Most Recent Government Activity: 27 days ago
Result: I'm 7th Lowest Overall Tax Burden in Taijitu, how the hell did this happen...
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I'll revive the founder when I get home from work.
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Thanks Elu.
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GJ Elu
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My tyranny almost ended that day.
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You should do more tyranny, how about you outlaw all religions and compulsory membership of Taijitu's Regional Workers Party bowing down to Our Dear Great Leader All Mighty Oz.
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Please, I have more tact, I just spend your tax money on frivolous things.
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If you want my opinion to be honest the region is a shell of itself and will never be better. All of the original folks have lost interest in the game (or at least in the region) and new members can't be sustained. Ones that participate, anyways.
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I've been tired of NS politics for years, and I've been trying to make everyone else tired of it as well. I'd rather this region just be a hangout for friends than talking about the shit sling fests. As I see it, the "NS-Game" is a bunch of bored idiots sitting on as many regional IRC channels as possible waiting for someone to be asshole so they can all gang up on the asshole and declare that they are "victorious against evil", i.e. the UDL. Am I wrong? I tested this when I was on vacation by calling a member of Osiris fat, continually just saying "<x> is fat. <y> is fat. Osiris is just full of fatties." I was promptly banned on three other regional IRCs and they declared "sucker-free! We won against the bullies!"
Only the sad part is I wasn't really banned but an IP address for a cabin in North Dakota was. I just never logged onto their IRCs again, because they're super fucking boring.
Purpose of this message? Yeah it won't be better, but it's not because of the great members we used to have not coming back, it's because 99% of newbies are just duplicate accounts and the game is huge waste of time and boring. If you all spent as much time as you did on NS stuff, running smear campaigns, getting into the scene, etc. I don't know, maybe we would've cured cancer by now.
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The fact we're all here is because we're bored. But I do like to hear from you guys, you're amazing, it's such an interesting thing to spot different opinions, specially when they're proclaimed by a super intelligent prolonged-puberty phase human being.
:o :o :o :o :o STOP BANNING NORTH DAKOTA!!! :o :o :o :o :o
btw, a cabin in north dakota? you must be bored, and more boredom followed hence flaming on IRC...
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I've been tired of NS politics for years, and I've been trying to make everyone else tired of it as well. I'd rather this region just be a hangout for friends than talking about the shit sling fests. As I see it, the "NS-Game" is a bunch of bored idiots sitting on as many regional IRC channels as possible waiting for someone to be asshole so they can all gang up on the asshole and declare that they are "victorious against evil", i.e. the UDL. Am I wrong? I tested this when I was on vacation by calling a member of Osiris fat, continually just saying "<x> is fat. <y> is fat. Osiris is just full of fatties." I was promptly banned on three other regional IRCs and they declared "sucker-free! We won against the bullies!"
Only the sad part is I wasn't really banned but an IP address for a cabin in North Dakota was. I just never logged onto their IRCs again, because they're super fucking boring.
Purpose of this message? Yeah it won't be better, but it's not because of the great members we used to have not coming back, it's because 99% of newbies are just duplicate accounts and the game is huge waste of time and boring. If you all spent as much time as you did on NS stuff, running smear campaigns, getting into the scene, etc. I don't know, maybe we would've cured cancer by now.
Oz... I fucking love you man. :'( :D I love this rant.
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It's been awhile since I've had one :)
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If you want my opinion to be honest the region is a shell of itself and will never be better. All of the original folks have lost interest in the game (or at least in the region) and new members can't be sustained. Ones that participate, anyways.
:taijitu:
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:congrats: :drunks:
We need a :tai: machine
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S-D posting in Taijitu is like a thin flow of blood in a shark's nostrils :D so nais, music to my ears. My spare time is not the biggest advantage but I will gladly come around for some NS warfare and forum silliness. I might drag some old guns along as well. Make sure you drop me an e-mail or a PM on fb, I'm not in the habit of checking the forums anymore.
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PoD Gunner what is your nation name? If you were delegate of those three regions I'd be surprised if I haven't heard of you until now :)
Taijitu can die or it can get a grip on itself and come back to the land of the living. There's always a choice. It's a choice that will be made over the next few years by every Taiji. The region is not going to quickly disappear or burst into flames, you have either a slow and painful death or a slow and painful life. Choose the latter. I'll do what I can to help.
I love the rants you did there were some beautiful lamentations guys. Are you ready to think positive yet?
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PoD Gunner what is your nation name? If you were delegate of those three regions I'd be surprised if I haven't heard of you until now :)
Taijitu can die or it can get a grip on itself and come back to the land of the living. There's always a choice. It's a choice that will be made over the next few years by every Taiji. The region is not going to quickly disappear or burst into flames, you have either a slow and painful death or a slow and painful life. Choose the latter. I'll do what I can to help.
I love the rants you did there were some beautiful lamentations guys. Are you ready to think positive yet?
Well I will do what I can but I sort of gave up as well. Without the big guys that have the exact tools to help (e.g. Gulliver and Eluvatar) we really can't do shit. To be honest I think we should totally disregard existing law and just rewrite the laws so we can get things started again. I'm sorry to say guys but just living on RP is not going to help. That makes us just an RP forum and not an NS forum. I will certainly do whatever I can to help, I promise. Taijitu is my home.
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Welcome back dude. We could have done all that before, why now? What made you choose now to come back against then before you left?
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Because I felt like it was a lost cause, you know. But I don't know, I just got a burst of patriotic fervor. Furthermore, with Elu and Gulliver mostly inactive, I feel like we can get more sweeping reforms enacted. Either way I want to help fix it.
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Well it is true that Funkadelia and his Senate became very frustrated. Especially because we couldn't make any changes because the referendums never passed due to quorum requirements.
If we agree as a community to abolish the constitution and government structure I'm fine with that. I would however suggest that we keep the bill of rights and our treaties.
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Here is my forum: http://w11.zetaboards.com/Taijitu/index/
Like I said, I don't mind if we don't use it! I had fun making it... but it does look nice
You both should come on IRC more so we can discuss things in real time... do it.
Can we consider this again? We may have our own domain name, but it doesn't really mean much when there is nothing tied to it.
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After McMaster's comments I'm totally disinclined to go with his forum - although I do appreciate the positive thinking - I must reject that in favour of a better option:
Keep this forum, keep the domain name, keep the wiki.
Use the wiki to link new threads on the existing forum in a more organised and flexible way.
I.e. we will create new threads in the existing places but we will create new wiki pages to navigate between those threads more efficiently.
I hope you understand what I just said because I feel it's important.
I would like to fervently invite Funkadelia, New Delfos and McMasterdonia to join the movement for immediate change, if you at least partially agree with my vision so far. (Link in sig)
New Delfos has been a encouraging so far and I can see Funk is ready to join the party, so to speak!
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After McMaster's comments I'm totally disinclined to go with his forum - although I do appreciate the positive thinking - I must reject that in favour of a better option:
Keep this forum, keep the domain name, keep the wiki.
Use the wiki to link new threads on the existing forum in a more organised and flexible way.
I.e. we will create new threads in the existing places but we will create new wiki pages to navigate between those threads more efficiently.
I hope you understand what I just said because I feel it's important.
I would like to fervently invite Funkadelia, New Delfos and McMasterdonia to join the movement for immediate change, if you at least partially agree with my vision so far. (Link in sig)
New Delfos has been a encouraging so far and I can see Funk is ready to join the party, so to speak!
First of all, what comments? He didn't say much about the new forums.
Second, I don't really understand what you said at all. The Wiki is quite cumbersome and is meant to be an encyclopedia
Third, parties don't matter if there is no government.
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I don't see what I've said to offend you, other than to point out a few simple facts about Funkadelia's Delegacy and the past year that you remain blissfully unaware of.
I will not be joining your movement, as I have seen before you tend to act without just cause and sometimes on no information at all. I don't particularly trust your instincts or insight into our region, although I think your heart is in the right place. I don't think joining your political party will help things at all, if anything political parties were one of the issues holding us back last year.
I don't mind whether we change forums or not. I just feel this one is tired and old, and tbh reasonably ugly :P A new forum can be a fresh start.
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A new forum would only be the option, imo, if we have no control at all of this current forum. Funk does have control of the forums, right? Wiki is helpful if maintained. I do not have the time for any maintenance work, I'm sorry, I did have before. I have real life political crap going on, cityhall project being f****d over, and industrial project barely progressing, so I don't have much time. But you can count with me for the usual ranting and awesome contributions.
About the movement, there's not enough yet of your project that allows me to judge either or not joining it. So far sounds good. I suggest you read this:
http://forum.taijitu.org/civic-center/imagine/
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The wiki is something that to be quite honest only Gulliver and Eluvatar could fully manage. Also, I can manage these forums, but it's very difficult to do so. That's not to say it's not doable though.
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McM I was a little offended I just thought it was tactless your comment that Funk was the one to revive Taijitu when he had just proposed TNP to cancel the treaty with us. I'm not bringing this up just to discredit people I just felt a bit miffed that you took my enthusiasm negatively when I was the one sticking up for the region when I had no existing obligations to.
I can see where you're coming from but I disagree with you, and it's annoying to be characterised as someone who will always make bad decisions as if I have some sort of learning disability... You are within your rights to be skeptical but if I'm lashing out, then that is why.
The wiki is not cumbersome in my opinion, it's quick, I have edited 3 pages and will gladly write pages on your behalf when I get the hang of it.
Yes I do lack knowledge and need to be educated in the ways of Taijitu.
The reason we need a party is because we need to take over the government, you need some form of organization to do that, a vehicle. Otherwise where are policies and plans going to take shape?
I've posted in TEP requesting to delay the embassy closure, but I can only say I'm a citizen, I don't represent anything because there is no people on board the 'movement'
Guys, please add me on skype if you can
McM if you attempt to marginalize me again (let's face it, you probably will at some point) I will get annoyed again because I have been repeatedly marginalized ever since the Warzone Africa incident.
Regarding IMAGINE - yes that's brilliant. In fact if you had only pointed me to that thread a few days ago I would not have created MIC. Am now considering disbanding MIC and joining IMAGINE, if that is possible. You're right that I have not a great deal of policies, I had 7. Am open-minded about this, perhaps can merge them under the IMAGINE banner? The thing you explained about direct democracy operating like parliamentary commissions makes more sense in this context - and I agree it SHOULD be brought about from WITHIN the current system - and I believe it can work even if it failed before. Why can't we join IMAGINE?
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I had just tried to cancel the TNP treaty:
- Because I thought the region was dead.
- Because I do not merge all of my personae into one person.
I have done more than most to try to get the Taiji ball rolling, however nothing ever stuck. I even tried to make Taijitu imperialist but that couldn't work either. We are far past the point of political parties now. This is simply deciding if Taijitu wants to have a government anymore amongst a collective of people. So do we? Do we want to keep it the same? Do we want to totally rewrite it? We can do just about anything we want, and at this point to be quite honest the laws don't matter because it's a game so we need some input if we ever want to have parties ever again.
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Why are we past the point of political parties? Aren't they the system that we use to change things?
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Why are we past the point of political parties? Aren't they the system that we use to change things?
No. The system that we have to use now that the government is at a 100% standstill is the system of the people deciding to have a new government. Seriously, it doesn't matter anymore if we have a legal system if it's fucking broken.
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Because 1 political party took all power and was able to use it against other parties. Eliminating parties creates dictatorship, you need 2 or more groups to keep the political discussion alive and dynamic.
There wasn't that much political will to change everything to a dictatorship when you wanted so. I will oppose and I'm sure that's an healthy debate: Patriotic Tyranny vs Participative Democracy.
About IMAGINE, it failed, it had a context, a purpose. There's people here that made it fail, therefore I question their purpose. You don't need to revive IMAGINE to recreate or rebuild it's ideals. Fresh ideas are very welcome.
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I'm awake...
I was hoping eluvatar and myroria would make some rp posts but instead I got stuff about boring politics :C
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I'm awake...
I was hoping eluvatar and myroria would make some rp posts but instead I got stuff about boring politics :C
Eluvatar and Myroria have both given up. The game of nationstates is a political simulator. I can get wanting to be an RPer and that's okay but as long as Taijitu still is a nationstates region and has a history, I want to protect it. Sorry you're not interested in the politics Oz.
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Why are we past the point of political parties? Aren't they the system that we use to change things?
No. The system that we have to use now that the government is at a 100% standstill is the system of the people deciding to have a new government. Seriously, it doesn't matter anymore if we have a legal system if it's fucking broken.
You're going to have to explain why you are incapable of using the current system, because it comes across more like apathy than tangible obstructions. We can still elect a senate, the senate can propose the amendment and then the referendum will pass the new slimstitution.
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You're going to have to explain why you are incapable of using the current system, because it comes across more like apathy than tangible obstructions. We can still elect a senate, the senate can propose the amendment and then the referendum will pass the new slimstitution.
If that's the way you want to do things, then go ahead. However, since we have no active Chief Justice and you want to follow the laws, please tell me how we will get elections under way.
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The thing about having a legal system is you still have to follow that legal system whether Eluvatar is around or not.
If you lose the legal system you will also lose your treaties as the treaties only recognise the legitimate government of Taijitu.
We will be following the legal system until you prove otherwise.
Here, it seems pretty obvious (if I haven't overlooked something)
(A) The Senate may remove any justice from the Court by a two-thirds majority vote.
(B) If there is a vacancy on the Court, or there will be a vacancy in 14 days, the Delegate may nominate a citizen to be Associate or Chief Justice.
(C) The Court will administer all elections and referendums.
(D) The Senate will be elected once every seven weeks.
(E) All senators will be elected at large by the single transferable vote.
(F) The Senate may propose an amendment to this constitution by a two-thirds majority vote.
(G) A petition to amend this constitution may be submitted to the Senate in the same fashion that a petition would be be brought to a referendum.
(H) The Senate may approve any petition for an amendment by a two-thirds majority vote.
(I) If the Senate proposes an amendment or approves a petition to amend this constitution, a referendum will be held.
(J) If the referendum succeeds, this constitution will be amended.
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Well, if Oz would like to nominate someone for Chief Justice, then I will be willing to stand. The problem is with a vacant Senate, no one is there to confirm the Justice.
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The problem with the Associate Justice or Chief Justice spots is that we have a bar exam to fulfill. It's hard enough that I'm afraid of failing my 2nd try without properly studying for it (which I don't have time for). None of you really passed that bar exam. The only way without bar exams would be that the Delegate propose a substitution and it'd be approved by the senate (which I tried to do but people gave up), but for that you'd still need the Chief Justice to run elections and approve things. Because of deadlocks like these I proposed that the Delegate could run elections to fill inactive gaps in Senate if Chief Justice and Senate are inactive, oh but no, "they" made people come back from their giving-upness to shut the proposition down, then they went back to giving up statuses. You see, things don't really change if people don't keep fighting for what they think is right.
I've made my try before, now I accepted nomination for everything else, lets see when that everything else is useful. :whip:
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I think you'll find there are were no less than THREE Senators elected (which is the legal minimum) and they are still senators unless you can prove to me otherwise. If they are no longer in office they need to now be filled by the person who had the next highest amount of votes.
I agree with Delfos that persistence is necessary. Adherence to the system need not mean staying still. Nowhere in the law that I can see does it say the new chief justice must have passed the bar exam.
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The results have been lost and none of the Senators elected are senators. I lost my citizenship at one point, Letonna has lost his citizenship, And Cozulul has been gone for a while.
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Eluvatar said he'd help fix things soon, so we will have a Chief Justice.
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Why do your posts contain so little in the way of facts?
I'm presuming there was an election, why can't you just tell me who was elected? When and why do you believe that some of those senators are no longer senators? I maintain they are our senators unless you can prove to me otherwise. I'm seeing no proof from you.
When do you claim Eluvatar said that? I see no Eluvatar present (Last post: May 30) can you give a quote? You are placing far too much reliance on one person when you could be focussing on educating and empowering the people (with information for a start) and moving forward together.
Not just waiting for Eluvatar.
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Do not tempt me to get back into politics! Instead of a happy elected delegate you'll have sub-commandante Oz, ferocious and terrifying guerrilla terrorist of the pacifics. I would destroy forums, lay waste to communities, and be the most wanted man in all fenda kind! Muahahahahaha.
But seriously, politics are boring. Not sure why people like lying to each other all the time.
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Why do your posts contain so little in the way of facts?
I'm presuming there was an election, why can't you just tell me who was elected? When and why do you believe that some of those senators are no longer senators? I maintain they are our senators unless you can prove to me otherwise. I'm seeing no proof from you.
When do you claim Eluvatar said that? I see no Eluvatar present (Last post: May 30) can you give a quote? You are placing far too much reliance on one person when you could be focussing on educating and empowering the people (with information for a start) and moving forward together.
Not just waiting for Eluvatar.
Steam names redacted, sorry if I don't have timestamp automatically on my steam messages.
*Eluvatar*: will anything terrible happen if I check in in ~8 hours?
*Funkadelia*: nothing particularly terrible
*Eluvatar*: Good, good.
I'm giving you facts. Cozulul, Letonna and I were Senators. All of us lost citizenship at one point or another, voiding our Senatorship. There is an empty Senate. Apparently the only other one running in that election was Zippan, who's nation has also CTE'd.
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Why do your posts contain so little in the way of facts?
I'm presuming there was an election, why can't you just tell me who was elected? When and why do you believe that some of those senators are no longer senators? I maintain they are our senators unless you can prove to me otherwise. I'm seeing no proof from you.
When do you claim Eluvatar said that? I see no Eluvatar present (Last post: May 30) can you give a quote? You are placing far too much reliance on one person when you could be focussing on educating and empowering the people (with information for a start) and moving forward together.
Not just waiting for Eluvatar.
Steam names redacted, sorry if I don't have timestamp automatically on my steam messages.
*Eluvatar*: will anything terrible happen if I check in in ~8 hours?
*Funkadelia*: nothing particularly terrible
*Eluvatar*: Good, good.
I'm giving you facts. Cozulul, Letonna and I were Senators. All of us lost citizenship at one point or another, voiding our Senatorship. There is an empty Senate. Apparently the only other one running in that election was Zippan, who's nation has also CTE'd.
Thank you :)
Now we are getting somewhere.
I propose an independent investigation as to whether you, Letonna and Cozulul remain senators or not. There is no law that says you are out of office so I'm not sure why you are so adamant on having an empty senate...
Any of the senators that the independent commission deems are no longer senators will be legally replaced by Delfos, as the runner up in the last recorded election. There is nothing in the law that requires the senate to be an empty senate. You are twisting the law to fit your negative impression of the inactivity.
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By the way, Eluvatar has naturally failed to check in on schedule. If we do not seriously attempt to work things out on our own we do not deserve his help. You must face the facts that he is currently not here, and Taijitu must continue whether he has time for us or not.
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Well I was just trying to find the easy part in this. With no Senate and no CJ, good luck at anything.
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For what it's worth:
I touched briefly in #taijitu on a couple subjects that I'd like to reiterate here:
- I spoke to Gulliver yesterday and I believe he was the one who revived the founder nation and brought it to Taijitu, though I'm not sure of this. I no longer have the password for it but he does. Regardless of whether it was he who revived the founder nation or someone else, I wouldn't count on him to hang around and meddle in NationStates politics.
- For that matter, don't count on me to meddle in NationStates politics either. I've just moved to Portland (the east coast one) and I'll be spending most of my time working to afford to exist in this city. You'll probably see me hanging around the RP forums working on Oz's and myself's RP (http://forum.taijitu.org/princess-rp/baren's-privateers-(1897)/) or Fredrika and Petei (http://forum.taijitu.org/planning-room/fredrika-and-petei/) with Elu, God willing.
- Gulliver and I are interested in exploring creating a new Minecraft server which you would of course all be welcome in. But this wouldn't be a Taijitu-only endeavor and you'd likely find more than a few of our own personal friends among the server's blocky faces.
And two points I didn't touch upon in #taijitu:
- Dump the laws. Maybe even the constitution. They were written by Eluvatar, Gulliver, Oz, myself, and many, many others in, what was it? 2009? and at this point are probably holding you back more than anything.
- Good luck. The old founders tried many times to revive this region and it never work. Maybe some new faces will turn things around. I don't think I'm the only one who wants to see this region the way it was four years ago.
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Gaming section would be welcome, Minecraft and CIV5 were two games mentioned the most while I was here. I have CIV5 through steam btw.
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My NS nation is in my sig (it has just been revived)
You can count on my for military gameplay (inside the game of Nationstates). I'm am very much interested in politics but will not have the time to spare. *tickles Oz*