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Title: Delegate Elections January 2008: Nominations
Post by: Templarios on January 17, 2008, 09:00:02 AM


Current Candidates
(in order of nomination)












Key:
*Delegate nominee has not yet accepted the nomination of the Senator
**Vice Delegate Nominee has not yet accepted the nomination of the Delegate Candidate.
Names in Italic are the Vice-Delegate for the Delegate Candidate above their name

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Title: Re: Delegate Elections January 2008: Nominations
Post by: Allama on January 18, 2008, 01:19:44 PM
I hereby nominate Korinn.
Title: Re: Delegate Elections January 2008: Nominations
Post by: Meridianland on January 19, 2008, 08:41:04 PM
Thanks for starting this up, Temp. 

OK I am back, and as Speaker, I am not allowing the nomination of Osamafune. 

This is in response to his post in this thread: (http://forum.taijitu.org/elections/delegate-election-january-2008/0/) 
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My UN nation is still Collosea and my current resident nation is the Empire of Great Britain Reborn. That's all that's required, and at no point have I ever not had a nation in the region.

His resident nation Great Britain Reborn  (http://www.nationstates.net/11290/page=display_nation/nation=great%20britain%20reborn) was only born 45 days ago.  From the xml on his nation: 
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<FOUNDED>45 days ago</FOUNDED>
 

Collosea, (http://www.nationstates.net/11290/page=display_nation/nation=Collosea) the nation with which he originally applied for citizenship in Taijitu, no longer resides in the region and moved out approximately 67 days ago.  This is from the region in which it is currently delegate: 
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UN Delegate:  The Federation of Collosea (elected 66 days ago).
 

That means he has violated the terms of his citizenship
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1. Any resident shall be capable of obtaining citizenship in Taijitu, and shall maintain this citizenship unless they violate any of the conditions enumerated herein or are found guilty of having violated the laws of Taijitu by the Supreme Court.
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1. Citizens shall maintain a resident nation residing within Taijitu.
and hence he is no longer eligible to run for delegate.

Furthermore, and significantly, the constitution stipulates that nations running for delegate must have a population of greater than 1 billion.  Great Britain Reborn  (http://www.nationstates.net/11290/page=display_nation/nation=great%20britain%20reborn) does not.
Title: Re: Delegate Elections January 2008: Nominations
Post by: Osamafune on January 19, 2008, 09:39:13 PM
I have a nation in the region, I have disclosed my UN nation, and the constitution says I must have a nation 1 billion in size but it doesn't say it has to be within the region. If I accept the nomination, of course I would move Collosea back because Great Britain Reborn isn't a UN member.

Based on your conditions, there's no reason why I can't run.
Title: Re: Delegate Elections January 2008: Nominations
Post by: Gulliver on January 19, 2008, 09:59:00 PM
If he has a resident nation in the region the way I see things his citizenship is still valid. I will note however that election law requires candidates to begin collecting a healthy base of UN endorsements when they accept their nomination to ensure a rapid handover of power, and to that end you will be needing a UN nation in the region.
Title: Re: Delegate Elections January 2008: Nominations
Post by: Meridianland on January 19, 2008, 10:19:25 PM
His residency lapsed and his current nation isn't big enough.  Since you're the Grand Poobah though, Prag, I'm not letting him run unless you (or the court) give me the word.
Title: Re: Delegate Elections January 2008: Nominations
Post by: Osamafune on January 19, 2008, 10:22:59 PM
As I said, I would move my UN nation (which happens to have a population of over one billion) back if I accepted the nomination. The constitution doesn't say that nation has to be in the region. I haven't accepted it yet, anyway; if I don't accept the nomination, I can't run.
Title: Re: Delegate Elections January 2008: Nominations
Post by: Templarios on January 19, 2008, 11:02:48 PM
I nominate Allama
Title: Re: Delegate Elections January 2008: Nominations
Post by: Osamafune on January 19, 2008, 11:07:09 PM
I lol'ed.
Title: Re: Delegate Elections January 2008: Nominations
Post by: Osamafune on January 20, 2008, 01:02:44 AM
So when does the nomination period end and the campaigning and voting periods begin?
Title: Re: Delegate Elections January 2008: Nominations
Post by: B9 perspective on January 20, 2008, 07:10:29 AM
I nominate Flemingovia.

Quote from: Pragmia on January 19, 2008, 09:59:00 PM
If he has a resident nation in the region the way I see things his citizenship is still valid.

AND Osamafune has agreed that he would move his UN nation with its requisite population back to the region if his nomination is indeed permitted and accepted....

As Speaker, Meridianland is election officer BUT restrictions on citizenship are determined by the Delegate or over ridden and determined by the Supreme Court, neither of which I've yet witnessed.
IF Osamafune's nomination is denied, then the basic structures outlined in the Constitution and Laws of Taijitu are as I see it, being placed into question; namely that the Delegate or the Supreme Court decide what are the restrictions placed on citizenship.
IF Osamafune's lapse of maintaining citizenship is considered cause of the Speaker's determination to deny his nomination then given the same standard, how is Osamafune's being a Senator permitted? And yet, both the Speaker, the Supreme Court and the Delegate have permitted his being a Senator and his votes and comments as a Senator..I'd appreciate it if somehow this consideration was clarified; Senator yes, but Nominee as Delegate, no.
Title: Re: Delegate Elections January 2008: Nominations
Post by: Templarios on January 20, 2008, 10:59:29 AM
Quote from: Osamafune on January 20, 2008, 01:02:44 AM
So when does the nomination period end and the campaigning and voting periods begin?

24/01 till nominations end
Title: Re: Delegate Elections January 2008: Nominations
Post by: Meridianland on January 20, 2008, 04:36:32 PM
Quote from: B9 perspective on January 20, 2008, 07:10:29 AM

IF Osamafune's lapse of maintaining citizenship is considered cause of the Speaker's determination to deny his nomination then given the same standard, how is Osamafune's being a Senator permitted? And yet, both the Speaker, the Supreme Court and the Delegate have permitted his being a Senator and his votes and comments as a Senator..I'd appreciate it if somehow this consideration was clarified; Senator yes, but Nominee as Delegate, no.

Well, B9, I'm considering opening a vote on his removal.  I'm waiting for a definitive answer from Prag on that.  If you used your close reading skills in the thread above, you would have noticed that.  Please don't be so quick to condemn and complain. 

Osa himself admits to breaking the oath of his citizenship in another thread.

And, as election officer, I do have authority to allow or disallow whomever I see fit according to election law.  For instance, if Zetty (a brand new member *waves*) were to be nominated at this point, I would disallow his nomination.  There's no point in waiting around for the delegate to do that. If the election officer can't do it, then there's no point to the region having an election officer.   I decided to defer to Prag on Osa's thing because of the dialogue that Prag himself is also contributing to. 
Title: Re: Delegate Elections January 2008: Nominations
Post by: Flemingovia on January 20, 2008, 05:39:26 PM
Thanks for the nomination, B9.

I accept the nomination.
Title: Re: Delegate Elections January 2008: Nominations
Post by: B9 perspective on January 20, 2008, 06:22:09 PM
Glad you accepted Flemingovia, you're very welcome.

Quote from: Meridianland on January 20, 2008, 04:36:32 PM
Quote from: B9 perspective on January 20, 2008, 07:10:29 AM

IF Osamafune's lapse of maintaining citizenship is considered cause of the Speaker's determination to deny his nomination then given the same standard, how is Osamafune's being a Senator permitted? And yet, both the Speaker, the Supreme Court and the Delegate have permitted his being a Senator and his votes and comments as a Senator..I'd appreciate it if somehow this consideration was clarified; Senator yes, but Nominee as Delegate, no.

Well, B9, I'm considering opening a vote on his removal.  I'm waiting for a definitive answer from Prag on that.  If you used your close reading skills in the thread above, you would have noticed that.  Please don't be so quick to condemn and complain.

As I understood the text you posted before, you were awaiting word from Prag and or the Supreme Court regarding his and their opinions on whether Osamafune should be permitted to run as Delegate, not on whether you should open a vote for his removal....Pragmia already gave an opinion regarding Osamafune's citizenship and of what he saw as any eventual concern regarding Osamafune's nomination.
I condemned nothing and wasn't complaining, but rather asked for clarification. Several times now you have made wide accusations about what you interpret as complaining...just because people sometimes write things you don't like for whatever reason- doesn't mean they are necessarily complaining. As far as I understand, people are permitted to have interpretations, opinions, questions, without them necessarily being called 'complaining' redundantly. *smells active propagandic techniques cuddled in please, but decides to continue*

 1. The Speaker shall be charged with calling, ending and declaring the results of votes, maintaining the Senate Roster, and ensuring that the Senate functions properly as enumerated herein and that the laws and Constitution of Taijitu are up to date.
2. Should the Speaker be unable to perform their duties for any reason or their office be left vacant then the Delegate shall begin procedures to elect a new Speaker. The term of Speakers elected in special elections shall endure only until the next normal Speaker election.
3. The Speaker shall swear by the oath provided by the Senate.
4. The Senate shall have the power to remove from office the Speaker if they in the opinion of the Senate have violated the Constitution and laws of Taijitu, broken their oath or failed to fulfill their duties by a vote of no confidence.
5. The interim Delegate shall initiate election procedures for Speaker at the time of the ratification of this document.

Nowhere in there does it says the election officer decides who can run as they see fit.
Certainly the Speaker is required to be obey considerations outlined in the Constitution. Restrictions on citizenship are determined by the Delegate or by an override two thirds vote of the Judiciary.

None of this would be much of a concern if we hadn't already had a justice declaring ineligibility for a nomination, without any evidence of a 2/3rds vote to override the Delegate's opinion AND an administrator saying the matter DIDN'T regard a restriction on citizenship- when apparently, according to you and Durnia, it IS a matter of the validity of Osamafune's citizenship, the same citizenship that permits and permitted his applying for and becoming Senator.

I'm glad that you are consulting the Delegate and the judiciary regarding Osamafune's eligibility or in eligibility.
Title: Re: Delegate Elections January 2008: Nominations
Post by: Meridianland on January 20, 2008, 07:14:13 PM
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1. The Speaker shall be charged with calling, ending and declaring the results of votes, maintaining the Senate Roster, and ensuring that the Senate functions properly as enumerated herein and that the laws and Constitution of Taijitu are up to date.

I am ensuring it functions properly.  :-P

B9, if you would like to complain and argue over whether The Speaker is allowed to make a list of eligible candidates, knock yourself out, but plz take it to a senate discussion specifically on the topic, make a proposal, and have a vote.  Until then, I will maintain a list of candidates that I deem eligible for the election.  If brand new non-posting regional members get nominated, they will not make the list.  If someone with a lapse in citizenship gets nominated, I have the same duty to determine eligibilty.

Please keep this thread on topic from here on out.
Title: Re: Delegate Elections January 2008: Nominations
Post by: Osamafune on January 20, 2008, 07:28:06 PM
Yes there was a lapse in citizenship, but I currently fulfill the requirements you posted, so what's the problem?
Title: Re: Delegate Elections January 2008: Nominations
Post by: B9 perspective on January 20, 2008, 07:37:01 PM
Quote from: Meridianland on January 20, 2008, 07:14:13 PM
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1. The Speaker shall be charged with calling, ending and declaring the results of votes, maintaining the Senate Roster, and ensuring that the Senate functions properly as enumerated herein and that the laws and Constitution of Taijitu are up to date.

Quote from: Meridianland on January 20, 2008, 07:14:13 PM
I am ensuring it functions properly.

B9, if you would like to complain and argue over whether The Speaker is allowed to make a list of eligible candidates, knock yourself out, but plz take it to a senate discussion specifically on the topic, make a proposal, and have a vote.  Until then, I will maintain a list of candidates that I deem eligible for the election.  If brand new non-posting regional members get nominated, they will not make the list.  If someone with a lapse in citizenship gets nominated, I have the same duty to determine eligibilty.

Please keep this thread on topic from here on out.
I'm not complaining and arguing Meri. I asked for clarification- that's all, and it happened to be clarification regarding the nominations, so it was pretty on topic as far as I'm concerned.
Title: Re: Delegate Elections January 2008: Nominations
Post by: Solnath on January 20, 2008, 07:43:44 PM
I nominate Bara.
Title: Re: Delegate Elections January 2008: Nominations
Post by: Meridianland on January 20, 2008, 07:53:35 PM
Osa, you didn't have any nation in the region for close to three weeks. Your current nation has only been here 46 days, half the time required for eligible candidacy.  According to the letter of the constitution, you're inelegible.  I'm still waiting for word from Prag on that specific thing.

Title: Re: Delegate Elections January 2008: Nominations
Post by: Templarios on January 20, 2008, 08:58:50 PM
Quote from: Lex on January 20, 2008, 07:43:44 PM
I nominate Bara.

Is Lex a senator?
Title: Re: Delegate Elections January 2008: Nominations
Post by: Meridianland on January 20, 2008, 09:04:21 PM
 :fight: nar
Title: Re: Delegate Elections January 2008: Nominations
Post by: Solnath on January 20, 2008, 09:10:56 PM
I'm an Awesomekteer.
Title: Re: Delegate Elections January 2008: Nominations
Post by: Osamafune on January 21, 2008, 02:55:35 AM
If you check Prag's previous post as well as the senate chambers, you'll see that Pragmia has given me clearance to run.

So, let's get on with it. I accept the nomination and I nominate Greater Canadian Empire to run with me as the Vice Delegate.
Title: Re: Delegate Elections January 2008: Nominations
Post by: Myroria on January 21, 2008, 03:59:38 AM
(You need to be a Senator to nominate someone? That ranks up there on my "The most bullshit things I've ever heard" list.)

Osa, how long did it take you to notice when your nation ceased-to-exist?
Title: Re: Delegate Elections January 2008: Nominations
Post by: Osamafune on January 21, 2008, 04:28:11 AM
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(You need to be a Senator to nominate someone? That ranks up there on my "The most bullshit things I've ever heard" list.)
Yeah it sucks, but it isn't anything new.

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Osa, how long did it take you to notice when your nation ceased-to-exist?
Well from what I remember, I moved Osafune into Taijitu as soon as I moved Collosea into the Empire of Great Britain Reborn. That was sometime at the end of November/early December. To be honest, I don't think I logged on at all after that until I noticed it CTE'd. I moved Great Britain Reborn into Taijitu as soon as I found that out. That was 20 days ago, I believe. But I've had a nation in Taijitu for well over 90 days, and thus citizenship as well, you can be sure of that (counting the time before that nation CTE'd).
Title: Re: Delegate Elections January 2008: Nominations
Post by: Solnath on January 21, 2008, 03:51:11 PM
I'd like to point out that due to the nature of time-space, having once been a Senator, I am always a Senator. Absolute potentialism for the win.
Title: Re: Delegate Elections January 2008: Nominations
Post by: Allama on January 21, 2008, 04:01:28 PM
I fully intended to decline my nomination again, but I was convinced otherwise at the last minute and have decided to accept.  I hereby request that the handsome and talented Korinn be my Vice Delegate/running mate.
Title: Re: Delegate Elections January 2008: Nominations
Post by: kor on January 21, 2008, 04:15:15 PM
While I appreciate being nominated for Delegate, I am going to decline. I will however run as the very beautiful Al's Vice-Delegate. :wb:
Title: Re: Delegate Elections January 2008: Nominations
Post by: Of Crazed on January 21, 2008, 04:33:26 PM
I nominate Myro.  I nominate Soly. I nominate Bara.
Title: Re: Delegate Elections January 2008: Nominations
Post by: Solnath on January 21, 2008, 06:55:27 PM
OC, do you seriously think anyone in their right minds would vote for me?

Actually, do you think anyone would vote for me?


That said, I so totally accept. Now I need a campaign theme.
Title: Re: Delegate Elections January 2008: Nominations
Post by: Templarios on January 21, 2008, 06:59:58 PM
Is there anyone we haven't nominated who is eligible yet???
Title: Re: Delegate Elections January 2008: Nominations
Post by: Solnath on January 21, 2008, 07:05:32 PM
Yes. About 70 people.
Title: Re: Delegate Elections January 2008: Nominations
Post by: Aquatoria on January 21, 2008, 11:39:23 PM
Osamfune has asked me to run as his VD, and I accept.
Title: Re: Delegate Elections January 2008: Nominations
Post by: Solnath on January 23, 2008, 03:33:43 PM
I nominate myself as my Vice Delegate candidate and humbly accept.
Title: Re: Delegate Elections January 2008: Nominations
Post by: Bara on January 23, 2008, 08:17:38 PM
ok, ill take it.

Larrys my vice delegate.
Title: Re: Delegate Elections January 2008: Nominations
Post by: Larry on January 23, 2008, 09:20:16 PM
I formally accept my nomination as Vice Delegate.
Title: Re: Delegate Elections January 2008: Nominations
Post by: Bara on January 24, 2008, 12:40:47 AM
yey
Title: Re: Delegate Elections January 2008: Nominations
Post by: Myroria on January 24, 2008, 09:21:02 PM
I accept the nomination.

Taijitu, prepare to be liberated.
Title: Re: Delegate Elections January 2008: Nominations
Post by: Bara on January 24, 2008, 09:59:20 PM
Quote from: Libertarian Monarchy of Myroria on January 24, 2008, 09:21:02 PM

Taijitu, prepare to be liberated.

by Me.
Title: Re: Delegate Elections January 2008: Nominations
Post by: Myroria on January 24, 2008, 11:51:47 PM
You can't liberate your face from the computer screen, how can you liberate this region?
Title: Re: Delegate Elections January 2008: Nominations
Post by: Sovereign Dixie on January 25, 2008, 12:43:03 AM
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<SDixie> did you nominate me as your VD yet? just asking so i'll know if i need to post my acceptance
<Myroria> No, just say I did
<Myroria> Nominate yourself with my blessing

Posting my nomination for the office of Vice Delegate, and accepting Myroria's request to be his running mate.
Title: Re: Delegate Elections January 2008: Nominations
Post by: Bara on January 25, 2008, 01:00:08 AM
Quote from: Libertarian Monarchy of Myroria on January 24, 2008, 11:51:47 PM
You can't liberate your face from the computer screen, how can you liberate this region?

im awesome like that
Title: Re: Delegate Elections January 2008: Nominations
Post by: Sovereign Dixie on January 25, 2008, 05:00:30 AM
Upon learning some things, and seeing the state of the region. I feel that I have but one course of action. I am withdrawing my name from Myroria's ticket (though this does not reflect upon him, he'd make a great delegate. Much more so than many I can think of)

I am doing this that I may announce my own candidacy for Delegate. Since I did not expect to be doing this so soon after my return, I have not a VD candidate to name as of yet, but will have one within 24 hours.
Title: Re: Delegate Elections January 2008: Nominations
Post by: Flemingovia on January 25, 2008, 04:36:01 PM
When I accepted nomination for the delegacy the field of candidates was quite small. However, since I announced that I would stand, Allama in particular has joined the race. From the moment she announced that she would stand I have had the nagging feeling that she would make by far the best choice for our regional delegate at this moment in time.

I am therefore withdrawing from the race, and I would encourage anyone who was thinking of voting for me to support the Allama ticket instead. That is what I will be doing.

Title: Re: Delegate Elections January 2008: Nominations
Post by: Sovereign Dixie on January 25, 2008, 10:38:39 PM
if he will accept, I would like to nominate inglo scotia for my Vice Delegate candidate
Title: Re: Delegate Elections January 2008: Nominations
Post by: Meridianland on January 27, 2008, 02:03:55 AM
After speaking with SD, I'm going on the assumption that I-S won't be on the ticket.  On SD's behalf (or quarter, definitely not eigth) I nominate Annexia.
Title: Re: Delegate Elections January 2008: Nominations
Post by: Prydania on January 27, 2008, 08:15:59 PM
Quote from: Meridianland on January 27, 2008, 02:03:55 AM
After speaking with SD, I'm going on the assumption that I-S won't be on the ticket.  On SD's behalf (or quarter, definitely not eigth) I nominate Annexia.
Well, I'm here to accept SD's nomination. I wanted to talk to him about a campaign strategy, but I've been unable to get a hold of him. So, in order to move this process along, I'm officially accepting the nomination to run as SD's VD candidate.

And a theme song to go along with it ;D

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=XRLEUFLSKBw
Title: Re: Delegate Elections January 2008: Nominations
Post by: Meridianland on January 27, 2008, 08:33:17 PM
Very well, Vice Delegate Candidate Inglo-Scotia.  Congratulations and welcome to the race.
Title: Re: Delegate Elections January 2008: Nominations
Post by: Prydania on January 27, 2008, 08:34:58 PM
Thank you Meri, best of luck to everyone involved.
Title: Re: Delegate Elections January 2008: Nominations
Post by: Templarios on January 27, 2008, 11:36:16 PM
Quote from: Templarios on January 17, 2008, 09:00:02 AM
Its going to run for 7 days starting now (ends - 24/01).

What should be happening now - a vote?
Title: Re: Delegate Elections January 2008: Nominations
Post by: Solnath on January 27, 2008, 11:44:24 PM
Campaigning.
Title: Re: Delegate Elections January 2008: Nominations
Post by: Meridianland on January 28, 2008, 03:15:48 AM
Quote from: Templarios on January 27, 2008, 11:36:16 PM


What should be happening now - a vote?

http://forum.taijitu.org/index.php/topic,4440.0.html