Proposal: Throw out the legal system

[Funkadelia]

Hello. I propose we throw out every law on the books of Taijitu in 2 votes. One to repeal the constitution and the second an omnibus to remove the rest of the legal code. We will then replace it with a monarchy with me as the King, as I am clearly the most active Taijituan around these days. Here is my reasoning:

• No one cares about this region in NS. A mix up and a monarchy will get activity going. People like monarchies. Look at TNI and United Kingdom.
• This legal system is boring. No one likes to stay
• We need a good change from stagnancy
• What else is there to do in this region? I promise I'll make it interesting. You will see.

Seriously, what is the point in caring about protecting the Democracy anymore? We can repeal this and come up with a new constitution. Of course it wouldn't be an absolute monarchy. It will be constitutional, and we can write up the laws. I honestly see no point in protecting Taijituan democracy at this point. In my eyes, monarchy UCR's seem to be popular nowadays.

[Gulliver]

If we truly believe that Taijitu has run its course and want a monarchy, I think it would make more sense just to make an entirely new region. I really would like, if Taijitu is not something that can be gotten back up again, for it to be allowed to just lie as it is instead.

[Funkadelia]

 That is perfectly acceptable as well. I just want to have more nationstates fun D:

[Delfos]

there's plenty of regions that are monarchic.

We can always have a duality mode

[Lapeirousia]

Or we could just create a puppet and move to TFK, they already have a monarchy set up.

That way Taijitu gets to keep its democracy, which, is actually something a lot of people cherish.

[Lapeirousia]

And if you think nobody cares about Taijitu, wow, you'll be really shocked how much less they care about TFK.

[Funkadelia]

Nobody mentioned TFK.

[McMasterdonia]

Nobody mentioned TFK.

Chasmanthe did!

[Funkadelia]

Well Chasmanthe, it was overtly obvious the minute you joined this region that you sought political power and nothing more. If you were really interested in fixing Taijitu and trying to resurrect it as a region in the world, you would have been more involved than you are. To be honest, you don't even have a place in this Senate, especially if you're going to throw around these needlessly pointed words. What have you done for this region? I haven't seen much from you at all.

[Delfos]

Everyone has a place in this senate, even if you don't like them.

[Lapeirousia]

I sought power for myself, yes, but also I sought to protect Taijitu from falling into the wrong hands.

The founders favour democracy, and I defend that system.

It still amazes me that you paint me as the bad guy, but it is quite funny.

I think your proposal has been answered by Gulliver, he wants continuity, I think you underestimate the value of continuity, maybe I'm wrong, maybe you're right.

If we do join TFK on the side, or Empire of Oceania for that matter, we can experience what a friendly monarchic region is like without turning our home into one.

If you do want to get rid of the laws, perhaps repealing them one at a time would be more manageable.

Edit:  And you are of course welcome here and free to suggest and discuss what ever you want to, I'd be sad if you felt you couldn't.

[McMasterdonia]

Nobody has mentioned regions by name, besides you Chasmanthe. I don't know what your motive is by doing so. I don't want anyone joining Empire of Oceania fwiw.

I'm not sure that a monarchy would work for Taijitu, but we should allow the system to become more fluid and for it to adapt and change. If you want continuity.. this is it.. continued stagnation with nothing at all happening. You can cling to the decaying remains of the past Chasmanthe, but you have done little to suggest anything that would actually improve the region other than simply keeping it as a place to hang out (which is fine, but we should acknowledge it for what it is - nothing more). Sometimes I don't honestly know what the motivation is, but I think you have good intent, but maybe I am too trusting.

Either way - we need radical change for the region to go forward. Even if we acknowledge that our laws 'work' there is literally nothing for new people to do once they join the forum. The forum is old and ugly, it is not inviting to anyone any more. All that remains are a few old relics that continue to flog the dead horse that exists and seem unwilling to change much. On IRC recently we have all agreed that either we need to recruit and make changes, or accept the region as a place to hang out and not attempt a half hearted revival.

I propose that while Eluvatar is Delegate, we take the opportunity to repeal the constitutional documents and legal code. Recruiting should start immediately and once the recruits start trickling in a constitutional convention should be held. This would give an opportunity for people to jump right into something real, and feel like they are contributing to the future of this region.

The Senate was an absolute farce when all it could do was answer founder issues, while the referendum requirements hold the region hostage to the words of an old outdated document. There is no point in having such a body that cannot actually do anything else other than satisfy some deranged agenda and I will vigorously oppose any moves to return the Senate to the weak and gutless body that it used to be.

While I have faith that recruitment for taijitu would bring nations in gameside, we literally have hardly anything appealing forum side. I made a zeta forum and I would gladly give the root account to Eluvatar and/or Gulliver to that forum. It would be a totally new fresh start and one where we can form the new future of Taijitu away from this old and outdated forum. I think that is in the interests of the region.


We need to focus on putting things in place for new people to do. We need to look at other successful regions and consider what works for them?

- Robust and active legislatures

Founder issues do not provide for this. Not even remotely. I don't think we should bother with them at all.

- Active military?

Require personnel, but possibly something to consider for the future.

- Spam and Roleplay?

We have spam threads and we have roleplay resources. Nobody is using either right now. Why is that? Maybe we should we get off our asses and do it?

- Easy involvement to all arms of government?

who are our Ministers? What should the goal of these Ministries be? We need some sort of broad idea in place for when someone joins and how they can participate? Some leadership from Eluvatar will be required on this front, but I have worked with him in this area plenty of times and he is unquestionably able to provide.

Finally
I am broadly speaking in favor of complete abolition of the legal system.

I would suggest that Delfos start practicing what he preaches. The hypocrisy on the part of the Speakers office is almost laughable.

[Funkadelia]

Generally speaking, successful and active regions have robust, active, and comprehensible legal codes and legislatures, and simple processes that can be used to change the laws. Currently, much of the law's importance is in the Constitution which is cumbersome and difficult to amend. The combination of a simple legal system as well as recruitment is essentially a catalyst for regional activity, whether you'd like to admit it is or not. While RP is interesting, yes, it's not what draws great minds of Nationstates to regions. Many regions that have a large population and attempt roleplays end up just giving up on them.

Military operations with a major gameplay force is also a good way of getting Taijitu's name out there. If we can get more people and form a cohesive military, we can honor our historical traditions and side with a good defender region or group, such as the UDL, Lazarus, or some other defenders.

The reason I proposed a Kingdom was basically just to shift things up and get Taijitu's name back out in the world. We need to do some real stuff that impacts the rest of the world, and not just Taijitu itself. This is how UCR's become popular. They have large population with some popular people in it, and they make themselves known internationally.

[Delfos]

One thing I am not is a dictator, so I cannot practice what I preach because you are all sinners. I did try to change it several times, where were you, where was Funkadelia, where were all when we could have changed this before, all talk and no walk McM, you're already entrenched in another region, how can you or others come here and say "what have you done for taijitu", but you are all more active elsewhere. Nobody here is more saint than others, everybody has a share of trying to make this a better place, so if you please stop being concerned and kicking each other in the shins, it's very disloyal to Taijitu itself.

Trying to undermine each other's amazingness to renew Taijitu is counter-productive, we're all amazing and we can do amazing things with Taijitu.

[Funkadelia]

Well, if we're going to do something productive, then maybe we should try to do the things that Mcmasterdonia has neatly posted out for us as a course of action.