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Offline Tacolicious

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Re: Image war
« Reply #330 on: July 13, 2007, 10:27:13 PM »
The somepope explains it to the peolpe I think
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Re: Image war
« Reply #331 on: July 13, 2007, 10:28:16 PM »
The kind and generous peolpe!
"I believe every single person is extraordinary. The tragedy is that we
have a society where too many people never get to fulfill that
extraordinary potential. My view – the liberal view – is that
government’s job is to help them to do it. Not to tell people how to
live their lives. But to make their choices possible, to release their
potential, no matter who they are. The way to do that is to take power away from those who hoard it. To challenge vested interests. To break down privilege. To clear out the bottlenecks in our society that block opportunity and block progress. And so give everyone a chance to live the life they want." - Nick Clegg, Leader of the Liberal Democrats and Deputy Prime Minister of the United Kingdom

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Re: Image war
« Reply #332 on: July 14, 2007, 01:11:08 AM »
Looked over the fallen earth movies on youtube. Although it seems like they have a lot of good ideas I honestly think it's a dead mule. It's been in production for 7 years and still there's no vehicles, no tradeskills, no mutations. They really didn't have a lot to show for years of work. I noticed even on a local emulation the game still suffered from a lot of lag. The environment seems lack luster and bland and given the map size and travel times they talked about - but didn't demonstrate - seem like they would be annoying. Who wants to spend 15 minutes just getting to a place. or 45 for that matter... Imagine how annoying it'd be when you needed to get back to town to resupply and empty your packs. That's 30m to 1h30m each and every time you need to get to town. Beh. The same applies for the crafting times. Six hours to make a gun? Again I say, Beh.

Additionally I question their ability to form a properly functioning player economy where nearly all items are crafted. Created a balanced economy is one of the most important parts of any MMO. By having all items crafted (which will be crafted mostly a night while characters are logged I assume since no one wants to sit around six hours to watch a bar fill up. Beh.

The AI seems rather weak, the shooting of a loud gun in town in the middle of the day right beside a NPC, and the NPC asks "Is anybody there?", Hmmm.....

Overall the presentation felt very spoon fed and given the length of time invested in the the project they are still a LONG way from done if they hope to make a good game rather then a crappy game with a few good ideas. You'll notice that most of these "cool features" were only talked about but not actually shown. I did find the hermit crabs living in CRT monitor casings and styrofoam coolers cute.

They have some good ideas but they have some serious flaws as well. I've chosen to refrain from commenting on the graphics since they admit it's still in alpha so it wouldn't be fair to judge them yet. But even with better ground tiles the terrain is still flat and boring.

Honestly I wouldn't hold my breath for this game. If it does come out it's not going to be worth it.

On final thing to note: That guy says "the whole nine yards" far too often.
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Re: Image war
« Reply #333 on: July 14, 2007, 01:18:23 AM »
ummm..... i heard on wikipedia that you could drive them. which is weird, cause i heard that after i watched the clip. and there is some tradeskills.

How do Tradeskills work in Fallen Earth?

That's a big question. Let's break it down some:

The List of Tradeskills:
First off, there are 11 core tradeskills in the game:

Armorcraft: Making all manner of clothes and armor.
Ballistics: Making rifles, pistols, crossbows, zip guns, bullets, and similar equipment used for killing at range.
Cooking: Creating food that can help increase player performance primarily through the recovery of hit points and stamina faster (characters who don't have some food in their gut and a quenched thirst are going to be able to act fine, but will find their time spent recovering from injuries or exhaustion much longer).
Genetics: Creating tools that increase the effectiveness of mutations.
Geology: Recovering minerals from the earth.
Medicine: Making first aid kits, anti-venoms, radiation treatments, etc.
Nature: Making poisons, collecting materials from plants and animals, refining tradeskill components, etc.
Scavenging: Allows for harvesting materials from the piles of junk that dot the Grand Canyon.
Science: Making acids, sniper scopes, batteries, cars, refining tradeskill components, etc.
Teaching: Creating books so you can teach others.
Weaponry: Making clubs, knives, baseball bats, and other killing implements that are used up close and personal.

A player can learn as many tradeskills as they want, but due to the time component required to raise them (see below) it will be hard to master more than a handful. All players start with basic levels in all tradeskills, so all players can learn a handful of recipes from each tradeskill and decide what they want to concentrate on.

Getting Components:

Basically players will collect components from scavenging, harvesting minerals, plants, or animals, breaking down existing items, or from creature drops. Scavenging and harvesting plants and minerals will be done by interacting with nodes that spawn in appropriate areas throughout the world. These can vary from special mutant cacti that produce healing salves to getting bits of rubber from piles of old tires. Creatures can be skinned to get items such as leather, meat, bone, toxins (giant spiders!), or acid (giant ants!).

Most creatures in the game will drop components as loot as opposed to finished items, encouraging players to make items instead of simply camping spawns until you get equipment you can use, though creatures will drop finished goods as well. A character who equips himself completely from drops is not going to have equipment as good as the character who gets his through tradeskills, either by making them himself or buying them from others. Some rare tradeskill items will require rare components that can only be acquired from certain rare spawns, but getting the finished item still requires the participation of a crafter. So really to get the best gear in the game a crafter is probably going to be involved at some point.

We have an extensive list of components, everything from Tainted Meat to Scrap Copper to Strong Antibiotics to Ragged Kevlar. Components exist in different quality levels, such as Scrap Copper versus Salvaged Copper. Characters will be able to improve the quality of components (or create components from other components) through the use of Science and Nature.

Also, players will be able to break down existing items to get some of their component parts.

Getting Recipes:

Characters do not learn individual recipes in Fallen Earth; instead they learn groups of recipes called a Knowledges (Knowledges are also used to teach things like combat abilities or mutation powers). Each Tradeskill Knowledge has one or more related recipes that the player learns when they acquire the knowledge. For example if you learn Axe, a Weaponry Knowledge, you'll learn to make a number of axes with different abilities. If you learn T-Shirt, an Armorcraft Knowledge, you'll learn a number of different T-Shirt recipes, each of a different color so you can customize your appearance. Each recipe requires a different list of components.

Knowledges can be gained from four different sources:

Missions: Some missions will provide Knowledges as a reward. These are normally special Knowledges that can only be gained through that mission. These are spread throughout the game with at least one in every town (we are going to have literally hundreds of towns over the course of the game), so if you want to learn every last crafting recipes for a given skill, it will take a lot of travel.
Trainers: Trainers in towns will sell books that teach common, readily available knowledges. Not all Knowledges will be available at all trainers (good luck finding a well-supplied Science trainer in a CHOTA town).
Treasure Books: These can be found on some mobs, such as crazy technology-worshiping cultists, or in containers that players discover.
Teaching: Players with the Teaching tradeskill can teach Knowledges they already know to other players by creating their own Knowledge books. Not all Knowledges will be able to be taught in this fashion, but most will.

Using Tradeskills

Okay, you've got components and a recipe, so now you can make an item. Basically you can select to make any recipe you know and have components for, and you will immediately begin making that item. Most items can be made while you are doing other things such as fighting or exploring, but some particularly large objects may require you to stand still or not have anything in your hands. Each item takes real time to make, varying from anywhere from a few minutes for a basic items like food or medkits, to a few hours for weapons or armor, to several weeks for cars. This time passes if you are logged in or not. You can queue up a number of items to complete while you are logged off. For each item you make, your tradeskill increases by a variable amount depending on the complexity of the item. Also, you gain experience for crafting items, allowing characters to level up completely by crafting if they wish (though this will take a long time and you have to go out into the world to find many of the recipes) but you only gain experience for crafting done while online.

A character can decrease the time it takes to make an item by staying in a crafting facility, such as a workshop or a kitchen, appropriate to the tradeskill they are using. Really complex items may require the character to remain in the facility for the entire time the item is under construction.

Improving Tradeskills

Tradeskills improve each time you make an item that is still a challenge to you, in other words somewhat near your level. The gain varies on the time and resources spent on the item.

Like all skills, tradeskills are governed by attributes that limit how high you can raise them. Tradeskills are limited by Perception and Intelligence, meaning if you want to be a master crafter you have to max out your Perception and Intelligence. Characters can get far in tradeskills without doing so, but will never be the best.

There you have it.
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Offline Tacolicious

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Re: Image war
« Reply #334 on: July 14, 2007, 01:23:59 AM »
Again, these are only things talked about but not actually demonstrated. Did you noticed that in the character profile under trade skills there was just a big blank spot. It's all well and good that they talk about it, but it's still not in the game. The only screen to show any actual information in those pages was the character stats page, all the rest were blank.
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Re: Image war
« Reply #335 on: July 14, 2007, 01:26:34 AM »
true, true.

lets drop the fallen earth thing. if you dont like it, then thats cool. but i am waiting for it, and so ill wait.
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Re: Image war
« Reply #336 on: July 14, 2007, 01:31:54 AM »
You can do what you want, but like I said I wouldn't hold my breath. You're going to be in for some serious heartbreak unless you put some distance between yourself and a game which will probably never be. A LOT of MMO's are proposed and "in production" but very few are actually made and released. And for the above stated reasons I feel this is one of ones destined to eternal production status
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Re: Image war
« Reply #337 on: July 14, 2007, 01:33:12 AM »
now do you honslety think im going to hold my breath forever for this?

and dont worry, i have a back up.
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Re: Image war
« Reply #338 on: July 14, 2007, 01:37:57 AM »
You seem far too attached to the game given your passionate defense of it and the aggression you showed in arguing it's merits.
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Re: Image war
« Reply #339 on: July 14, 2007, 01:38:58 AM »
You seem far too attached to the game given your passionate defense of it and the aggression you showed in arguing it's merits.

I'm sorry..i was a littile anrgy and that just pushed me
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Re: Image war
« Reply #340 on: July 14, 2007, 01:42:20 AM »
Whateve', it cool.

Don't become trapped by worldly distractions is all I'm saying.

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Re: Image war
« Reply #341 on: July 14, 2007, 01:44:51 AM »
yeah, i understand.

that has happened to me before.
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Re: Image war
« Reply #342 on: July 14, 2007, 01:47:45 AM »
and it's happened again by the looks of it. So do you truly understand? Have you looked away from the cave wall?
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Re: Image war
« Reply #343 on: July 14, 2007, 12:44:34 PM »
??? but really, if it doesn't come out, ill just play Planetside.

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Re: Image war
« Reply #344 on: July 14, 2007, 08:18:34 PM »
poor relgions... they just want peace...
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