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Re: Founder Conference
« Reply #30 on: December 30, 2015, 06:08:51 PM »
Maybe this should be an annual event and the password holders picked by lottery, Gulliver was suggesting a similar process to break ties, randomization is paramount to our new Taijitu.

That seems like literally the worst idea ever.
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Re: Founder Conference
« Reply #31 on: December 30, 2015, 08:15:08 PM »
Maybe this should be an annual event and the password holders picked by lottery, Gulliver was suggesting a similar process to break ties, randomization is paramount to our new Taijitu.

That seems like literally the worst idea ever.
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Re: Founder Conference
« Reply #32 on: December 30, 2015, 08:24:16 PM »
If you agree it's terrible, why suggest it?
                                 
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Re: Founder Conference
« Reply #34 on: December 31, 2015, 12:31:34 AM »
I don't think that's helpful in this topic. It's a context in which I would expect earnest contributions.

As you can see, your satirical utterance derailed this discussion. This doesn't help.
                                 
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Re: Founder Conference
« Reply #35 on: December 31, 2015, 12:41:47 AM »
Not really.

There's not much else to discuss, I think everyone explained what they want and I haven't seen any other proposals from you or founder friends. What you really need is this conference to happen asap so we can all have other things to do.

and maybe you need to chill
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Re: Founder Conference
« Reply #36 on: December 31, 2015, 05:35:50 AM »
I've opened a formal conference in this forum. Please feel free to comment on any subject on the agenda or otherwise raised in it here. Ultimately any changes to the arrangements should need the approval of the body of citizens.
                                 
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Re: Founder Conference
« Reply #37 on: December 31, 2015, 06:01:45 AM »
I've opened a formal conference in this forum. Please feel free to comment on any subject on the agenda or otherwise raised in it here. Ultimately any changes to the arrangements should need the approval of the body of citizens.

1st!

Anyway I really like the way you "mounted" the conference, well explained and good info for everyone to read. Great job! Although it favors a certain point of view I look forward for any other founders with different points of view to explain it to the rest of us how the see the issues or what they propose. Make sure to take in consideration the recent proposals for NSGP that could please all parties, it would certainly make Taijitu unique.

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Re: Founder Conference
« Reply #38 on: December 31, 2015, 10:49:08 AM »
it favors a certain point of view

How?

(Please tell me so I can seek to improve its neutrality).

Make sure to take in consideration the recent proposals for NSGP that could please all parties, it would certainly make Taijitu unique.

How is TaiMil policy etc relevant to the conference?
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Re: Founder Conference
« Reply #39 on: December 31, 2015, 02:08:47 PM »
it favors a certain point of view

How?

(Please tell me so I can seek to improve its neutrality).

Make sure to take in consideration the recent proposals for NSGP that could please all parties, it would certainly make Taijitu unique.

How is TaiMil policy etc relevant to the conference?
If Treaties and embassies are relevant to the conference, it immediately affects TaiMil. Recent proposals suggest further independence from treaties (and embassies), if approved it affects TaiMil, so, by discussing chain of events with treaties and embassies, you will inherently be affecting NSGP/TaiMil, which may become terribly obsolete if recent proposals are approved.

It favors a certain point of view because it mentions the treaties (which I already said they may become obsolete) and what St Oz may have or have not done, makes it that the focus are those treaties and St Oz, so I'd like to see other points of view. For instance, I've heard this sentence - "which ended with Myroria changing the password" - in a completely different way the other day, it's a different point of view that I'd like to see others address. It could also include something in the lines of: Myroria came back to Taijitu to bring the Founder back from deceased to exist because no other Founder was active. After all it's a very defined job of the Founder Committee.

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Re: Founder Conference
« Reply #40 on: December 31, 2015, 02:54:46 PM »
I can definitely see pointing out that no other Founder had acted to keep the nation alive, but I disagree entirely with your assessment regarding the relevance of embassies (& treaties) vs other Gameplay matters.

The incidents with our onsite embassies are relevant because the opening and closing of onsite embassies is part of regional controls, and because the back and forth over embassies led to intention to coup. Treaties are relevant to this discussion insofar as some embassies are legally required by our treaties, and therefore use of regional controls to close those embassies is illegal. (Which treaties we ought to have, however, is actually not relevant to the conference, in my understanding.)

Military activity by Taijituans outside Taijitu itself does not involve Taijitu regional controls and therefore has nothing to do with the founder nation.

Regardless of whether the treaties are retained in the future, they are in force at present, and are relevant to the incident. I would like to see us come to an agreement to prevent such incidents in the future. This involves examining the incident itself and understanding both how and why it occurred and how the various escalating actions related to regional law and politics.
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Re: The Founder Conference
« Reply #41 on: January 01, 2016, 06:24:24 PM »
I'm going to request/apply for a seat on the Founder Committee. I was a founding member of Taijitu and I was involved in the refounding years back. *points to the seal/medal in his signature.

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Re: Founder Conference
« Reply #42 on: January 06, 2016, 09:12:52 AM »
Oh well, glad to see that all good things happen around holidays. You chaps have definitely broken the boredom of the long days between Christmas and New Year's, thought you'd all be playing your new consoles and humping your trees, since besides SD and Neil nobody here seems to have a sex life. NS really is a Grinch.

As you all know my presence in Taijitu has been scarce at best, RL has taken precedence and since I have never been big on RP, what has kept me active has been the actual NS GP and the group of lunatics who have made up my first ever online 2nd family. Most of those things are now gone.

Since the TRR Lovefest (as the man behind Kandarin-then still refers to it, in closed circles and it makes the woman behind Kandarin-now giggle) I can't remember if I have ever had access to the controls of the founder nation for obvious reasons but as most of you know, I've always held Taijitu at heart and always will. That being said, I will contribute to this discussions in the limits of my spare time - that is generally scarce - and to the extent that I will be needed.
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Re: Founder Conference
« Reply #43 on: January 15, 2016, 09:19:53 PM »
Oh well, glad to see that all good things happen around holidays. You chaps have definitely broken the boredom of the long days between Christmas and New Year's, thought you'd all be playing your new consoles and humping your trees, since besides SD and Neil nobody here seems to have a sex life. NS really is a Grinch.

Hey, I resent that statement.
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Re: The Founder Conference
« Reply #44 on: March 08, 2016, 02:55:34 AM »
hello Taijitu Founders and others
Though I am not a member of the Founder's Council I would like to address all of you. It's about time a permanent, fair solution to the Tai Founder situation was worked out.
Myro seized control of the Founder while under the belief that a coup was imminent. This Conference was a means to try and resolve that tension. I don't blame him for what he did. He acted in the best interests of the region. I am simply stating that a solution to the current situation is needed. The current limbo is unacceptable.
I'm asking you all to consider this proposition.

1) The Founder's Council will consist of all members prior to Myro's seizure. Any changes to the Council's makeup can be addressed once shared control of the Founder is restored.
2) Myro will agree to a new password that will be shared with all members of the council.
3) All members of the council will have equal access to a new email account linked with the Founder. 
4) All members, Myro included, will promise to abide by the following points.
-the Founder won't be used to open or close embassies. That is the role of the elected Citizen-Delegate in conjunction with the will of the Ecclesia.
-the Founder will not be used to alter the regional World Factbook Entry unless it is to correct an oversight or mistake.
-the Founder will not be used to ban anyone from the region unless the Founder is being accessed to fend off an attack on the region.
-the Founder can be used to circumnavigate the authority of the Delegate should the Delegate attempt to coup the Constitutional government of Taijitu.
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