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Re: Founder Conference
« Reply #15 on: December 29, 2015, 04:26:55 AM »
I expect Myroria was listing people he'd like to show up who hadn't yet.

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Re: Founder Conference
« Reply #16 on: December 29, 2015, 05:01:29 AM »
So we should ideally have SD, myself, Oz, PoD, Elu, Gulliver, and Allama here. I think only Elu and Allama might be an issue... I'm not sure how to contact the latter and the former hasn't been responding to any of my emails.
May I join?  Pretty please?

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Re: Founder Conference
« Reply #17 on: December 29, 2015, 07:08:51 AM »
So we should ideally have SD, myself, Oz, PoD, Elu, Gulliver, and Allama here. I think only Elu and Allama might be an issue... I'm not sure how to contact the latter and the former hasn't been responding to any of my emails.
May I join?  Pretty please?

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No. It's past your bedtime.


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Re: Founder Conference
« Reply #18 on: December 29, 2015, 02:43:35 PM »
So we should ideally have SD, myself, Oz, PoD, Elu, Gulliver, and Allama here. I think only Elu and Allama might be an issue... I'm not sure how to contact the latter and the former hasn't been responding to any of my emails.
May I join?  Pretty please?

:P

No. It's past your bedtime.

I'm curious to who are these founders for the conference, are they real founders as in they came from Lexicon? or are they from the Founder Committee? it's not very clear as you mentioned people from both ranks and missed some, I'll see if G-C is willing. It's also elitist as fck and not too specific to what the limits of this "conference" is, are you ONLY discussing the Founder Committee and Administration stuff or are you ALSO going to discuss formation of government and constitution? Because the latter seems to be a gross overreach for such a tiny group and against what people have been asking or promising. Maybe not only defining who comes (concept and list) to this conference and what exactly are the points of discussion would ease the little AwesomeSaucer heart and whoever else finds it weirdly unnecessary for the Founders to discuss anything else but themselves.

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Re: Founder Conference
« Reply #19 on: December 29, 2015, 03:56:26 PM »
So we should ideally have SD, myself, Oz, PoD, Elu, Gulliver, and Allama here. I think only Elu and Allama might be an issue... I'm not sure how to contact the latter and the former hasn't been responding to any of my emails.
May I join?  Pretty please?

:P

No. It's past your bedtime.

I'm curious to who are these founders for the conference, are they real founders as in they came from Lexicon? or are they from the Founder Committee? it's not very clear as you mentioned people from both ranks and missed some, I'll see if G-C is willing. It's also elitist as fck and not too specific to what the limits of this "conference" is, are you ONLY discussing the Founder Committee and Administration stuff or are you ALSO going to discuss formation of government and constitution? Because the latter seems to be a gross overreach for such a tiny group and against what people have been asking or promising. Maybe not only defining who comes (concept and list) to this conference and what exactly are the points of discussion would ease the little AwesomeSaucer heart and whoever else finds it weirdly unnecessary for the Founders to discuss anything else but themselves.

It's not elitist, get off yer high horse. And no, there are other venues for discussing governmental reform. Opening another would accomplish nothing and only muddy the discussion.

My primary concern is that the PW to the founder was changed unilaterally without consultation of any of the rest of us.
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Re: Founder Conference
« Reply #20 on: December 29, 2015, 04:41:46 PM »
So we should ideally have SD, myself, Oz, PoD, Elu, Gulliver, and Allama here. I think only Elu and Allama might be an issue... I'm not sure how to contact the latter and the former hasn't been responding to any of my emails.
May I join?  Pretty please?

:P

No. It's past your bedtime.
I hate to say it, but these comments seriously make me consider leaving.
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Re: Founder Conference
« Reply #21 on: December 29, 2015, 04:44:51 PM »
So we should ideally have SD, myself, Oz, PoD, Elu, Gulliver, and Allama here. I think only Elu and Allama might be an issue... I'm not sure how to contact the latter and the former hasn't been responding to any of my emails.
May I join?  Pretty please?

:P

No. It's past your bedtime.

I'm curious to who are these founders for the conference, are they real founders as in they came from Lexicon? or are they from the Founder Committee? it's not very clear as you mentioned people from both ranks and missed some, I'll see if G-C is willing. It's also elitist as fck and not too specific to what the limits of this "conference" is, are you ONLY discussing the Founder Committee and Administration stuff or are you ALSO going to discuss formation of government and constitution? Because the latter seems to be a gross overreach for such a tiny group and against what people have been asking or promising. Maybe not only defining who comes (concept and list) to this conference and what exactly are the points of discussion would ease the little AwesomeSaucer heart and whoever else finds it weirdly unnecessary for the Founders to discuss anything else but themselves.
I honestly don't care about joining if it's just a meeting about the administration of the NS region.

I would be worried if the discussion was about the government itself.  We haven't had our convention yet, and God knows we shouldn't make it behind closed doors.
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Re: Founder Conference
« Reply #22 on: December 29, 2015, 05:49:06 PM »
* Will attend the conference.

Though I know none of the gritty details, I hear there has been a great deal of tumult and animosity in Taijitu as of late. I would like to help work things out or at least contribute a little to the admin restructuring as I’m able.

Kindly consider me back from the dead.  :ghost:

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Re: Founder Conference
« Reply #23 on: December 29, 2015, 06:00:06 PM »
* Will attend the conference.

Though I know none of the gritty details, I hear there has been a great deal of tumult and animosity in Taijitu as of late. I would like to help work things out or at least contribute a little to the admin restructuring as I’m able.

Kindly consider me back from the dead.  :ghost:
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OMG HI ALLAMA

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Re: Founder Conference
« Reply #24 on: December 29, 2015, 07:16:48 PM »
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OMG HI ALLAMA
OMG HAI  :wb:

Glad to be back!

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Re: Founder Conference
« Reply #25 on: December 29, 2015, 07:36:51 PM »
So we should ideally have SD, myself, Oz, PoD, Elu, Gulliver, and Allama here. I think only Elu and Allama might be an issue... I'm not sure how to contact the latter and the former hasn't been responding to any of my emails.
May I join?  Pretty please?

:P

No. It's past your bedtime.

I'm curious to who are these founders for the conference, are they real founders as in they came from Lexicon? or are they from the Founder Committee? it's not very clear as you mentioned people from both ranks and missed some, I'll see if G-C is willing. It's also elitist as fck and not too specific to what the limits of this "conference" is, are you ONLY discussing the Founder Committee and Administration stuff or are you ALSO going to discuss formation of government and constitution? Because the latter seems to be a gross overreach for such a tiny group and against what people have been asking or promising. Maybe not only defining who comes (concept and list) to this conference and what exactly are the points of discussion would ease the little AwesomeSaucer heart and whoever else finds it weirdly unnecessary for the Founders to discuss anything else but themselves.

Thank you for your concerns. I have no plans to discuss the government itself; I can't speak for the other participants in these talks. I would be opposed in the highest to the Founder Committee acting alone to establish a government for Taijitu.

Omitting OT from my list was an oversight and I apologize. I think the discussion should be between everyone who holds the password for the founder - or did, rather. As far as I know, GC does not have that password. But he is welcome to come, as are all members of Taijitu.

My primary concern here is the coup that was about to take place. I understand Oz had issues with the administration team and constitution, but I think even he would admit that dissolving that document and ruling by fiat is a coup. I want the founders to vow not to allow a coup to happen, and certainly not support it. The Committee should have no business telling the government what to do other than that. If the people want to completely eliminate the system we have now that is there prerogative and I don't think the founders should stop them. But they should stop one person from doing it themselves, even if they think that person would do well as a dictator.

Obviously I will mention the elephant in the room and say that I have the password and I will give it only to people I can trust. Written in the Committee rules or not, the founders have a duty to uphold the law lest we fall into the sort of power politics that plague GCRs.

In the process of these talks we should also discuss our personal issues in a frank but respectful manner and seek reconciliation.

The matter of the constitution and the laws should be left to citizens alone.
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Re: Founder Conference
« Reply #26 on: December 29, 2015, 08:23:04 PM »
So we should ideally have SD, myself, Oz, PoD, Elu, Gulliver, and Allama here. I think only Elu and Allama might be an issue... I'm not sure how to contact the latter and the former hasn't been responding to any of my emails.
May I join?  Pretty please?

:P

No. It's past your bedtime.

I'm curious to who are these founders for the conference, are they real founders as in they came from Lexicon? or are they from the Founder Committee? it's not very clear as you mentioned people from both ranks and missed some, I'll see if G-C is willing. It's also elitist as fck and not too specific to what the limits of this "conference" is, are you ONLY discussing the Founder Committee and Administration stuff or are you ALSO going to discuss formation of government and constitution? Because the latter seems to be a gross overreach for such a tiny group and against what people have been asking or promising. Maybe not only defining who comes (concept and list) to this conference and what exactly are the points of discussion would ease the little AwesomeSaucer heart and whoever else finds it weirdly unnecessary for the Founders to discuss anything else but themselves.

Thank you for your concerns. I have no plans to discuss the government itself; I can't speak for the other participants in these talks. I would be opposed in the highest to the Founder Committee acting alone to establish a government for Taijitu.

Omitting OT from my list was an oversight and I apologize. I think the discussion should be between everyone who holds the password for the founder - or did, rather. As far as I know, GC does not have that password. But he is welcome to come, as are all members of Taijitu.

My primary concern here is the coup that was about to take place. I understand Oz had issues with the administration team and constitution, but I think even he would admit that dissolving that document and ruling by fiat is a coup. I want the founders to vow not to allow a coup to happen, and certainly not support it. The Committee should have no business telling the government what to do other than that. If the people want to completely eliminate the system we have now that is there prerogative and I don't think the founders should stop them. But they should stop one person from doing it themselves, even if they think that person would do well as a dictator.

Obviously I will mention the elephant in the room and say that I have the password and I will give it only to people I can trust. Written in the Committee rules or not, the founders have a duty to uphold the law lest we fall into the sort of power politics that plague GCRs.

In the process of these talks we should also discuss our personal issues in a frank but respectful manner and seek reconciliation.

The matter of the constitution and the laws should be left to citizens alone.

So far as I myself know, there was no actual coup in process. Oz did what he did, but would have kept the founder out of it as that is a line that I don't think any of us would cross. The founder has always been off limits for that kind of shit.

Now, as for yourself changing the password, yes. I understand why you changed the PW, as you thought there was a threat to the region. Fine. I get that. However... not informing the rest of us after the fact, nor consulting with us... also crosses a lone that even I, at my most autocratic.. would not even contemplate.

Do you remember the last time one of the founders did something like this? For all practical points and purposes, this is hijacking the founder. No matter how just you feel your reasons are, you do not have the right to do that no more so than I or any of the others.


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Re: Founder Conference
« Reply #27 on: December 29, 2015, 10:15:25 PM »
So we should ideally have SD, myself, Oz, PoD, Elu, Gulliver, and Allama here. I think only Elu and Allama might be an issue... I'm not sure how to contact the latter and the former hasn't been responding to any of my emails.
May I join?  Pretty please?

:P

No. It's past your bedtime.

I'm curious to who are these founders for the conference, are they real founders as in they came from Lexicon? or are they from the Founder Committee? it's not very clear as you mentioned people from both ranks and missed some, I'll see if G-C is willing. It's also elitist as fck and not too specific to what the limits of this "conference" is, are you ONLY discussing the Founder Committee and Administration stuff or are you ALSO going to discuss formation of government and constitution? Because the latter seems to be a gross overreach for such a tiny group and against what people have been asking or promising. Maybe not only defining who comes (concept and list) to this conference and what exactly are the points of discussion would ease the little AwesomeSaucer heart and whoever else finds it weirdly unnecessary for the Founders to discuss anything else but themselves.

Thank you for your concerns. I have no plans to discuss the government itself; I can't speak for the other participants in these talks. I would be opposed in the highest to the Founder Committee acting alone to establish a government for Taijitu.

Omitting OT from my list was an oversight and I apologize. I think the discussion should be between everyone who holds the password for the founder - or did, rather. As far as I know, GC does not have that password. But he is welcome to come, as are all members of Taijitu.

My primary concern here is the coup that was about to take place. I understand Oz had issues with the administration team and constitution, but I think even he would admit that dissolving that document and ruling by fiat is a coup. I want the founders to vow not to allow a coup to happen, and certainly not support it. The Committee should have no business telling the government what to do other than that. If the people want to completely eliminate the system we have now that is there prerogative and I don't think the founders should stop them. But they should stop one person from doing it themselves, even if they think that person would do well as a dictator.

Obviously I will mention the elephant in the room and say that I have the password and I will give it only to people I can trust. Written in the Committee rules or not, the founders have a duty to uphold the law lest we fall into the sort of power politics that plague GCRs.

In the process of these talks we should also discuss our personal issues in a frank but respectful manner and seek reconciliation.

The matter of the constitution and the laws should be left to citizens alone.
Ah, I see.  Best of luck to whoever obtains the password.

Also, Hi, Allama!  Fantastic to see you again!  :D
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Re: Founder Conference
« Reply #28 on: December 30, 2015, 07:49:53 AM »
Would it help for me to try to come up with a single post covering the timeline of events and referencing people's relevant statements?
                                 
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Re: Founder Conference
« Reply #29 on: December 30, 2015, 05:22:33 PM »
Maybe this should be an annual event and the password holders picked by lottery, Gulliver was suggesting a similar process to break ties, randomization is paramount to our new Taijitu.