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Government of Taijitu => The Ecclesia => Proposals and Discussion => Topic started by: AwesomeSaucer on November 28, 2015, 12:30:36 AM
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Citizen-Initiator's note: Now unlocked. The motion to hold a Convention hasn't passed, but you're welcome to discuss proposals here, or plan the convention, or do whatever you want with this thread.
This thread, along with a Google Doc located here (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1PUJtxOwUZx_2CI2vqoMC1eMVdtL169W7iaN-ky8Qato/edit?usp=sharing), shall be where we discuss a new constitution to uphold the basic values of Taijitu in a better way than our current constitution has.
This thread shall only be used for discussion pertaining directly to the new constitution. Any discussion about the mere existence of this thread, Google Doc, or constitution is redirected here (http://forum.taijitu.org/proposals-and-discussions/ecclesia-improvement-act-(discussion)).
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No.
I appreciate your eagerness, but no. We need to vote to have a constitutional convention before we can have one. I'm sorry, but we need to hold off on this until the vote in the other thread happens.
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No. The vote on this has not happened yet and this thread will only create confusion.
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Agreed; I have locked the thread for clarity.
For discussion pertaining to the proposed constitutional convention, either use the existing thread or create a new one with a specific sub-topic (which I doubt will be necessary, but there's a bunch of separate points being argued and it may end up being helpful to split them up).
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Here is Khem's first proposal! It outlines a strong triumvirate executive combined with a liquid legislative. He will fill the blanks later.
1. Executive.
1.1. The executive will consist of a triumvirate, with authority balanced between the three offices.
1.2. The Triumvirate will consist of three regional officers. Delegate, Domestic and Military.
1.3.The office of Delegate will act as head of state, dealing with diplomacy, embassies, treaties and general foreign affairs.
1.4. The office of Domestic will act as head of the cultural offices, dealing with recruitment, cultural events, community integration, newspaper, college and general internal affairs.
1.5. The office of Military will act as the head of military operations, dealing with military things, policy, ranks, other things.
2. Responsibilities and powers of the executive.
3. Election methodology.
4. Committee Structure
4.1. Deputies of Executive heading committees.
4.2. Each establishing unique structure.
4.3. Deputies shall open each committee membership to all Citizens. Allowing for an egalitarian or lateral structure as dictated by the appointed Deputy.
4.4. self determination.
5. Legislative
5.1. Liquid Democratic Model
6. Criminal Code/Judiciary
6.1. Don’t be a dick.
6.2. Follow the TOS.
6.3. Don’t work against your friends bro.
6.4. In event of a trial, the executive should act as judges.
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Why does this thread exist?
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Why does this thread exist?
For proposing constitutional drafts.
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What is Liquid Democracy????
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What is Liquid Democracy????
CLICK HERE TO LEARN THE BASICS (https://medium.com/@DomSchiener/liquid-democracy-true-democracy-for-the-21st-century-7c66f5e53b6f#.y3epw95rt)
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What is Liquid Democracy????
A system of direct democracy where people can delegate others (usually elected officials) to vote on issues on their behalf.
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So, basically its representative democracy. Why not just say that.
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It's different from Representative Democracy. I suggest you read the article.
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It's different from Representative Democracy. I suggest you read the article.
Keep in mind that the article is horribly biased (even for an opinion piece). There are some negatives, but the article explains it well otherwise.
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It's different from Representative Democracy. I suggest you read the article.
Keep in mind that the article is horribly biased (even for an opinion piece). There are some negatives, but the article explains it well otherwise.
Yeah, I could tell. Any article on politics is going to be biased.
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Here is Khem's first proposal! It outlines a strong triumvirate executive combined with a liquid legislative. He will fill the blanks later.
1. Executive.
1.1. The executive will consist of a triumvirate, with authority balanced between the three offices.
1.2. The Triumvirate will consist of three regional officers. Delegate, Domestic and Military.
1.3.The office of Delegate will act as head of state, dealing with diplomacy, embassies, treaties and general foreign affairs.
1.4. The office of Domestic will act as head of the cultural offices, dealing with recruitment, cultural events, community integration, newspaper, college and general internal affairs.
1.5. The office of Military will act as the head of military operations, dealing with military things, policy, ranks, other things.
2. Responsibilities and powers of the executive.
3. Election methodology.
4. Committee Structure
4.1. Deputies of Executive heading committees.
4.2. Each establishing unique structure.
4.3. Deputies shall open each committee membership to all Citizens. Allowing for an egalitarian or lateral structure as dictated by the appointed Deputy.
4.4. self determination.
5. Legislative
5.1. Liquid Democratic Model
6. Criminal Code/Judiciary
6.1. Don’t be a dick.
6.2. Follow the TOS.
6.3. Don’t work against your friends bro.
6.4. In event of a trial, the executive should act as judges.
I'm in favour of this proposal.
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I mean I'm working on more but my freetime is limited. I would appreciate suggestions and additions others would want. Should it be structured so that each member of the executive has a section of law so as to make amending each position easier or interweave them and make it a more bedrock article? What range of powers and how tightly do we want to define responsibilities? What election methodology would be prefered? I say we keep the name Ecclesia for the legislature but what model do we want? Will we have a speaker or will an Executive officer act as such?
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Well, I read the article and it deals with a proposal for a new election system for US legislative assemblies. Unfortunately this is labeled democracy, though it is only a variation on a parliamentary system. Democracy is more than that, most importantly rights for the people that legislation can not alter or remove.
The problem with concentration of power is that modern politicians feel they have a right to impose almost anything as long as they have a legislative majority. in a true democracy, this is not so.
This idea of "liquid" democracy is interesting, though, as I see it, he is really trying to implement a further division of powers within the legislatures to make it possible for different "domains" to run their own legislative process regardless of the over all power balance. I think this may well be the way forward, but this idea needs further refinement befoire it can become a viable alternative.