Taijitu
Government of Taijitu => The Ecclesia => Proposals and Discussion => Topic started by: AwesomeSaucer on January 02, 2016, 02:18:24 AM
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With all of these consultative polls being made lately, I wanted to make one as well.
I hope it sparks a reasonable, kind discussion.
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Fucking obviously.
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Fucking obviously.
We need harder requirements, like post limits and activity time.
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Fucking obviously.
Why?
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Fucking obviously.
We need harder requirements, like post limits and activity time.
I agree. Even a low post limit is easy enough to achieve.
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We need harder requirements, like post limits and activity time.
I agree. Even a low post limit is easy enough to achieve.
Yea, that makes sense. I would not object to a post limit requirement, even something like 5 or 10 quality posts. It would weed out a lot of spammers and trolls.
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This post limit would only be for new citizens, right?
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We need harder requirements, like post limits and activity time.
I agree. Even a low post limit is easy enough to achieve.
Yea, that makes sense. I would not object to a post limit requirement, even something like 5 or 10 quality posts. It would weed out a lot of spammers and trolls.
How would you suggest differentiating quality posts?
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This post limit would only be for new citizens, right?
I would think so.
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We need harder requirements, like post limits and activity time.
I agree. Even a low post limit is easy enough to achieve.
Yea, that makes sense. I would not object to a post limit requirement, even something like 5 or 10 quality posts. It would weed out a lot of spammers and trolls.
How would you suggest differentiating quality posts?
Well, that's for mods like you to decide! ;)
(But seriously, it would pretty much be up to the committees themselves, no?)
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I don't think that the quality needs to be explicitly specified. It may also be better to phrase it in terms of content rather than quality (some better way of saying 'substantive'). Though I can't imagine the rule ever being used to exclude anyone.
Perhaps a certain number of posts with actual content (maybe 5?) outside of the games (the one with last to post wins, etc.).
Would the person who approves citizenship requests (the new government's analogue of Citizen-Initiator) make the decision regarding quality of posts?
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Attempting to judge the quality of posts can easily make this a mess.
What would be the goal of post/activity requirements? While it may sound obvious, I mean the question seriously. Set the bar low enough, and it serves no real purpose (the activity-requirement discussion often surfaces from concerns about outsiders' influence in the region - if that is the concern here, keep in mind that those wishing to have such influence will have little trouble meeting the minimum requirements). Set the bar too high and you are disenfranchising players who are interested and committed to Taijitu, but simply have less time to commit to an online game than we do.
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wow 4 posts trying to qualify posts. The obvious answer is what wast already said, it has to do with the location this posts are in, "outside of games" sounds about as much quality as we need but then again, why would we want quality posts? For 10 posts? If people don't know what they're getting into why would they fabricate 10 posts? If you make Ecclesia attendance necessary for citizenship then it would limit the quality already, you wouldn't need posts (prior) to become a "senator" but you'd need posts to continue to be one. After all, there's nothing else we need citizenship for than to participate on the legislative process.
RP or NSGP should not be compulsory.
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OK, I think the discussion is getting a bit too off-topic (another poll about this would be great!).
Back to the subject: do you think having a NS nation should be required? I personally think not; it does limit our pool of citizens substantially.
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With regard to post counts: They help to keep the citizen list reasonable (I approved a few citizens with a single post that then disappeared without posting anything, which was probably a mistake).
With regard to the actual topic: I don't think requiring an NS nation reduces our 'pool of citizens' significantly. There is very little effort involved, so it's at worst a very minor nuisance - and it provides a very small first step towards things like RP. However artificial it may seem, NS nations are a piece of Taijitu's identity. As long as people want to continue to require an NS nation (which the poll suggests), it should stay.
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Attempting to judge the quality of posts can easily make this a mess.
What would be the goal of post/activity requirements? While it may sound obvious, I mean the question seriously. Set the bar low enough, and it serves no real purpose (the activity-requirement discussion often surfaces from concerns about outsiders' influence in the region - if that is the concern here, keep in mind that those wishing to have such influence will have little trouble meeting the minimum requirements). Set the bar too high and you are disenfranchising players who are interested and committed to Taijitu, but simply have less time to commit to an online game than we do.
There would be experimentation for a sweet spot I'd think. I'm thinking somewhere between 10-20 posts is not unreasonable. The goal would be to weed out those who will not ultimately be more than a name on a list.
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Attempting to judge the quality of posts can easily make this a mess.
What would be the goal of post/activity requirements? While it may sound obvious, I mean the question seriously. Set the bar low enough, and it serves no real purpose (the activity-requirement discussion often surfaces from concerns about outsiders' influence in the region - if that is the concern here, keep in mind that those wishing to have such influence will have little trouble meeting the minimum requirements). Set the bar too high and you are disenfranchising players who are interested and committed to Taijitu, but simply have less time to commit to an online game than we do.
There would be experimentation for a sweet spot I'd think. I'm thinking somewhere between 10-20 posts is not unreasonable. The goal would be to weed out those who will not ultimately be more than a name on a list.
Exactly. It doesn't have to be messy at all. If we use some semblance of common sense in analysing the quality of the posts. They don't need to be in RP or NSGP related threads. Just a quick search to see if they're engaging in the community. On any level. Not just one word responses to topics to fill up their post count.
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All of this is contingent on new people coming into the region.
Let's face it, guys: no new members have come to the forums in God knows how long. How can we solve this?
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All of this is contingent on new people coming into the region.
Let's face it, guys: no new members have come to the forums in God knows how long. How can we solve this?
Buy stamps and recruit, there's not much to it, a buck here, a buck there, that's how almost all the non founders came here.
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All of this is contingent on new people coming into the region.
Let's face it, guys: no new members have come to the forums in God knows how long. How can we solve this?
Buy stamps and recruit, there's not much to it, a buck here, a buck there, that's how almost all the non founders came here.
Can't we get people from outside NS? We have a YouTube channel, we can make social network accounts; what do you guys think about that?
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All of this is contingent on new people coming into the region.
Let's face it, guys: no new members have come to the forums in God knows how long. How can we solve this?
Buy stamps and recruit, there's not much to it, a buck here, a buck there, that's how almost all the non founders came here.
Can't we get people from outside NS? We have a YouTube channel, we can make social network accounts; what do you guys think about that?
We've all said what we think of that. If you want to try to bring them in from other avenues go for it. The rest of us will be considering this an NS region in the meantime.
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Having a nation should remain a requirement for citizenship. As for other requirements with post counts and activity, while I don't think they'd be necessarily harmful I don't see how they would help much either. Removing citizenship for less active resident nations probably will not encourage activity from others.
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All of this is contingent on new people coming into the region.
Let's face it, guys: no new members have come to the forums in God knows how long. How can we solve this?
Buy stamps and recruit, there's not much to it, a buck here, a buck there, that's how almost all the non founders came here.
Can't we get people from outside NS? We have a YouTube channel, we can make social network accounts; what do you guys think about that?
I swear, I think you say this in every thread you comment in.
GIVE IT A REST ALREADY
I'm sure we've all heard you the first 256,589 times you said it. We have a steam group, many of us stay in contact outside of the realm of NS. Just because these things are not happening to you does not mean that they do not happen.
I'm not -against- your idea. But I am sick to death of hearing it in every thread. You're starting to sound like one of those dolls with the pull strings. *pulls the string* "Lets take taijitu out of NS" *pulls the string* "Did somebody mention skype?"
Also, throwing up a poll "Just because everyone else is" does not really mean anything.