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Author Topic: A Proposal Re: #Taijitu_Tavern  (Read 4678 times)

Offline Prydania

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Re: A Proposal Re: #Taijitu_Tavern
« Reply #90 on: November 25, 2015, 05:27:28 AM »
I don't think any "gpers" have mindfully gone into sections of Taijitu and said to ourselves "oh, look a wonderful thing that role-players have done, let's go in and destroy it so that we can assert our dominance." It's simply not true, I don't know any other way to respond to such a shocking claim other than to categorically deny it.
And here's the difference in our approaches Funk.
You (and a few others) accused me around 24 hours ago of orchestrating some grand puppet-master scheme to try and shame you and Myro. A claim that was so shocking that my immediate response is to categorically deny it.
And deny it I did, to a point. I also realised that it, regardless of how absurd it sounded to me, it was genuine on your part. And so I've spent the last 24 hours apologizing to you, and anyone else who has hinted to me that they've been offended by this debate, because it legitimately bothered me that something I did led to people getting hurt. Even if it wasn't my intent. I recognized that your feelings were real, and tried to do what I could to make amends. Even though I knew that I had done nothing of what you were accusing me of.
And I want to see more of that, from everyone. Nothing hurts quite like having a concern you have dismissed because the other party just doesn't see it as valid. I think everyone, on all sides, taking some time to understand what the other person is feeling will do everyone some good.

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Like I said, you might have "a feeling" of RPers concerns being brushed aside (which they have not), when before you made the authoritative statement that they are, without giving proof of that being done, other than Oz's reference to a friendly joke we made at Delfos' expense (which he apparently didn't take as a joke, so I apologize for that even though I had no part in that).
As I said, it's a feeling among certain RPers. And I would say that in certain ways? Yeah, they are. I thought it was reasonable to ask why a non-RPer like Dyr was an OP in a nominally RP room.
And I got responses along the lines of "I don't know why anyone would have a problem with Dyr."
Well no, I don't have a problem with him personally, but that statement is missing the point entirely. And, yes, making me feel like my concern is being brushed aside.

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I think it's a bit paranoid to claim that "gpers" are taking everything and making it "ours", especially where I have made it clear, and I can tell you that people like Myroria and Gulliver and Dyr have agreed with, that we all see Taijitu as one whole experience.
I truly appreciate that you feel that way.
Though again. Ask yourself why some RPers feel as paranoid as they do. Ask us. And try to answer the concerns with answers greater then "I don't see why you're upset." People are upset on some level. You may not agree with it. And I'm not asking that you must agree with these concerns. Only that you do a better job listening to the concerns and trying to find constructive solutions.
Dyr is again another good example of such a concern. RPers had issue with him OPing a RP room. Why was that brushed aside? I'm not saying that you should have agreed with the idea that he be removed as an OP. At least acknowledging that it looked bad to RPers and trying to find a solution would have helped matters.

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The division has been made by some people for no reason other than to attempt to discredit things that I (and others) have to say, for reasons totally unbeknown to most people. So I'm a bit surprised that the claim has been leveled that people who like to participate in NS Gameplay (who, by in large, also participate in world building and role play) "co-opt" things that are set up by roleplayers. It insinuates that we have some evil mindset where we want to inexplicably eliminate roleplay. It's rude and shocking.
Well Funk I'd like to say I truly do appreciate your response here, because you've given me a look into your own perspective.

I personally don't believe that there's been a nefarious master plan to co-opt RPer space. It sounds as silly as me orchestrating some puppet-master scheme.
I do, however, understand why some RPers DO think that may be happening. Having someone like Dyr who has stated he has no interest in RPing OP a RP room looks bad to RPers. Does that mean he was placed there as an agent to co-opt the tavern from RPers? No, not at all. It does look bad though, and some may take it in the worst possible way.
All I'm saying is...be willing to listen. Does it seem outrageous to you? Yeah, probably. And I don't blame you on a certain level. You accusing me of malice by starting this thread though, is outrageous to me. Sometimes we need to accept that as outrageous as a claim may be to ourselves? It seems valid to someone else. And ensuring that person feels valued means trying to understand that outrageous perspective. Even if we don't agree with it.

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Re: A Proposal Re: #Taijitu_Tavern
« Reply #91 on: November 25, 2015, 05:33:45 AM »
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Offline Prydania

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Re: A Proposal Re: #Taijitu_Tavern
« Reply #92 on: November 25, 2015, 06:04:45 AM »

Look Funk. Again, I'm sorry. I can't help what you want to believe, or think, of me.

All I want is for people to be a bit more...understanding. I've tried to be that towards you over the past twenty-four hours. Maybe I haven't been the best at that, and I apologize.

As for Gulliver's post...I had an IRC chat with him. He wanted to know what could be said to make me happy. I asked for a frank, honest answer to my question re: Dyr OPing a RP room. I found his answer to be great. Was it what I wanted to hear? No, but I appreciated that he actually acknowledged my point.

So I won't respond to anything he's posted above save for one thing...

I know I messed up with #taijitu_tavern. But I am not going to let that be a sword hung over my head in perpetuity.
First off, for the umpteenth time, I don't care who said what, or what was directed at who in whatever the hell happened in the tavern channel. I wasn't here. I don't care. I don't care about holding anyone responsible for anything. People have apologized, and that should be the end of it.

Secondly? Welcome to my world :P Between the Q Society nonsense and me forcing myself to go on an apology tour for something I didn't actually do? I've realised that stuff like this follows people around longer than it rightfully should.

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Re: A Proposal Re: #Taijitu_Tavern
« Reply #93 on: November 25, 2015, 06:06:27 AM »
go on an apology tour for something I didn't actually do? I've realised that stuff like this follows people around longer than it rightfully should.
welcome to my world.
Today's date is: Today is Jocidi, 5 Cielidor AR 5 - Day 1770 of the Glorious Revolution.

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Re: A Proposal Re: #Taijitu_Tavern
« Reply #94 on: November 25, 2015, 06:11:42 AM »
go on an apology tour for something I didn't actually do? I've realised that stuff like this follows people around longer than it rightfully should.
welcome to my world.



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And I mean that in the best way possible. You're a good guy Funk. Sorry if I hurt you, however unintentional it was. Sorry.

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Re: A Proposal Re: #Taijitu_Tavern
« Reply #95 on: November 25, 2015, 10:13:52 PM »
The thread has been allowed to degenerate too far into unproductive argument. I apologize for not acting sooner now that this is an afterthought.

It is now locked. The remainder of the thread is still active, just split from here.