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Author Topic: Runoff: Regional Motto  (Read 3200 times)

Offline Gulliver

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Runoff: Regional Motto
« on: December 15, 2014, 02:38:35 PM »
This is a runoff between the top two contenders for the original vote on the regional motto. This vote will also last for 5 days.

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Re: Runoff: Regional Motto
« Reply #1 on: December 15, 2014, 03:35:17 PM »
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Re: Runoff: Regional Motto
« Reply #2 on: December 15, 2014, 06:49:21 PM »
Lindisfarne's vote is: None of the above.
I move that all votes should have this choice in the future, in our opinion a basic right in all democratic legislatures.
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Re: Runoff: Regional Motto
« Reply #3 on: December 15, 2014, 07:29:47 PM »
Lindisfarne's vote is: None of the above.
I move that all votes should have this choice in the future, in our opinion a basic right in all democratic legislatures.

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Re: Runoff: Regional Motto
« Reply #4 on: December 15, 2014, 07:37:02 PM »
Lindisfarne's vote is: None of the above.
I move that all votes should have this choice in the future, in our opinion a basic right in all democratic legislatures.

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Offline Gulliver

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Re: Runoff: Regional Motto
« Reply #5 on: December 15, 2014, 08:00:43 PM »
"Reopen nominations" was an option for the initial vote to narrow it down to the top two. Only 1 person out of 16 voted for it, so it didn't make it to the runoff.

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Re: Runoff: Regional Motto
« Reply #6 on: December 15, 2014, 08:44:04 PM »
If we used Condorcet this wouldn't be an issue, everyone.

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Re: Runoff: Regional Motto
« Reply #7 on: December 15, 2014, 09:08:32 PM »
hahahaha, in this situation it might make sense, not in a Delegate election.

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Re: Runoff: Regional Motto
« Reply #8 on: December 15, 2014, 09:26:21 PM »
It makes perfect sense in this situation: we didn't have an option with an outright majority in the initial vote, so we've narrowed it down to two so that one of them'll be guaranteed to have a majority at the end of a vote, barring a tie. That said I'll add an "abstain" option for people who want to explicitly show that they're deferring to participate in the vote in the same way, as Bustos put it, you might submit a blank ballot at an election.

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Re: Runoff: Regional Motto
« Reply #9 on: December 15, 2014, 09:31:34 PM »
I pledge to propose to reopen the selection of a new Regional Motto in case Abstain wins, in which case we can also discuss the election method of them Mottos and which Mottos shall be taken to the polls.

Therefore I campaign, Please:
Abstain

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Re: Runoff: Regional Motto
« Reply #10 on: December 15, 2014, 09:46:50 PM »
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Re: Runoff: Regional Motto
« Reply #11 on: December 15, 2014, 10:07:11 PM »
You already had that option.
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Re: Runoff: Regional Motto
« Reply #12 on: December 15, 2014, 10:10:12 PM »
I agree that this is an example of why to support a condorcet vote system.

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Re: Runoff: Regional Motto
« Reply #13 on: December 15, 2014, 10:55:20 PM »
I pledge to propose to reopen the selection of a new Regional Motto in case Abstain wins, in which case we can also discuss the election method of them Mottos and which Mottos shall be taken to the polls.

Therefore I campaign, Please:
Abstain

As Funkadelia pointed out, you had this option in the last election and it wasn't chosen so it was removed. That's how a runoff works. Why are you loudly advocating this now instead of weeks ago when we were discussing the mottos to begin with?

This sort of demagoguery is exactly what cripples a direct democracy.
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Re: Runoff: Regional Motto
« Reply #14 on: December 15, 2014, 11:52:47 PM »
I pledge to propose to reopen the selection of a new Regional Motto in case Abstain wins, in which case we can also discuss the election method of them Mottos and which Mottos shall be taken to the polls.

Therefore I campaign, Please:
Abstain

As Funkadelia pointed out, you had this option in the last election and it wasn't chosen so it was removed. That's how a runoff works. Why are you loudly advocating this now instead of weeks ago when we were discussing the mottos to begin with?

This sort of demagoguery is exactly what cripples a direct democracy.

I loudly advocate whatever I think is right and you have no moral authority over what is campaigned. If we think we need to change it, we will change it.

What cripples this democracy is your autocratic attitudes and prejudices, what cripples democracy is the concentration of power and a ruling class, what cripples democracy is what you try to elude others with your skewed notion of democracy. The Revolution was not done, you have halted the revolution and roam this region back to a retrograde bureaucratic republic.