It is recognized by the Ecclesia of the Citizen’s Democracy of Taijitu that the Glorious Revolution, while noble in its egalitarian aspirations, has turned into something akin to being stuck between an avalanche of feces and a Justin Bieber album. The Ecclesia recognizes that…
- It has resulted in a political culture of complacency and assumed victory, where there is no drive to introduce legislation.
- What legislation is passed is felt to cater to a select group of citizens, and were the majority of the citizenry feel unrepresented despite the egalitarian democracy.
- That its inability to provide for reasonably robust centralized leadership has led to a lack of direction for the region as a whole.
May it be enacted that…
- The Glorious Revolution is officially declared over, and tossed into the dustbin of history.
- The mandate of legislative supremacy is declared over with the Citizens’ Ecclesia recognizing the need for a balanced, structured government.
- Abolishes the Revolutionary Calendar as the Ecclesia recognizes that the Earth, in its infinite arrogance, has refused to conform to the metric system.
- All legislation since the establishment of the Glorious Revolution is hereby repealed, save for those that commit Taijitu to collaboration with our fellow allies in NationStates.
- The Ecclesia voluntarily relinquishes all supremacy over the political affairs of Taijitu.
- The Ecclesia hereby calls for a Constitutional Convention to establish a new government on the basis of representative democracy, structured government, and the principle of governmental checks and balances.
- The Ecclesia votes to suspend itself indefinitely.
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Are we really going to pass a piece of legislation calling the work of some members of this region an "avalanche of feces"? We've all got our disagreements and are pretty laid back, but actually going so far as to legislate a cheap insult like that into law seems a bit much, even for us.
Never mind that I am adamantly against scrapping our current system. This is by far the most disrespectful piece of legislation I have EVER seen! Not only does it undermine the work done by those who worked so hard to create and maintain our current system, which has worked so well, but it outright insults those very people if not the region itself. I cannot in good faith vote in favor of this bill. I might have to seriously reconsider my interest in Taijitu if a horrid bill like this actually passes.
Are we really going to pass a piece of legislation calling the work of some members of this region an "avalanche of feces"? We've all got our disagreements and are pretty laid back, but actually going so far as to legislate a cheap insult like that into law seems a bit much, even for us.
Apparently not, unless the writers of the proposal wish to revise it.
Actually, since this proposal would amend the constitution, it'll require two separate votes.Shall we count my other "[informal]" thread as the other vote?
Actually, since this proposal would amend the constitution, it'll require two separate votes.
Actually, since this proposal would amend the constitution, it'll require two separate votes.
Actually, its a vote to get rid of the constitution, very different from amending it.
Apparently not, unless the writers of the proposal wish to revise it.I do wish to revise it.
Some revision for clarity would be nice! I'm more than happy to help if you'd like.Apparently not, unless the writers of the proposal wish to revise it.I do wish to revise it.
I'll pop onto IRC in a bit and we can work on it.Some revision for clarity would be nice! I'm more than happy to help if you'd like.Apparently not, unless the writers of the proposal wish to revise it.I do wish to revise it.
I'm free later on this day, if I'm efficient enough. I'll stop on by too. :)I'll pop onto IRC in a bit and we can work on it.Some revision for clarity would be nice! I'm more than happy to help if you'd like.Apparently not, unless the writers of the proposal wish to revise it.I do wish to revise it.
If this passes, is there going to be a 2nd vote or...?Wondering that too.
there is no need for complicated Math, plus I doubt Abstention as vote counts for the two thirds majority, votes for need to be double the ones against.
Since this isn't a final draft I'm pretty sure this votes stands as an initiative and there needs to be another vote. If there were more nays than yays it would put in question the whole effort, since it doesn't, cheer up.
there is no need for complicated Math, plus I doubt Abstention as vote counts for the two thirds majority, votes for need to be double the ones against.
Since this isn't a final draft I'm pretty sure this votes stands as an initiative and there needs to be another vote. If there were more nays than yays it would put in question the whole effort, since it doesn't, cheer up.
So...translated from Delfian, "Yes, you are correct."
Okay, so the vote is closed, with about half wanting to tear down the Constitution and a little less than half wanting it to stay... I kinda expected this outcome. So what are you all going to do now? ??? This poll has just made it clear how many people are on either side of the cliff. Who's going to make the bridge? The poll actually makes it more confusing since it's supposed to be 2/3, but with the nature of this argument wouldn't this be rather unfair. So are the lesser majority getting what the they want and keeping their Constitution, or are we having another vote that will end the same way? In the end, it seems like the Constitution stays, but along with that it seems like many on both sides want some type of change, with some on the other wanting no change at all, so is that the next vote? Changing parts of the Constitution or simply leaving it alone? It was never clear where these foggy paths led. And it seems like there are just more forks in the road.I believe the path forward is to craft a more solid replacement constitution with both sides contributing and putting that to a vote. :2c:
There is no two irreconcilable groups entrenched against each other. I for one have no problem with change, but I will not tear down what we have before there is a clearly formulated alternative, and I do not think I am alone in this.
1[22:51] <@OT> you know what
01[22:52] <@OT> here, I will roll one d20, having assigned random numbers to either repeal or consensus
01[22:53] <@OT> repeal 2-20 even consensus 1-19 odd
01[22:53] <@OT> .roll 1d20
13[22:53] <@FriarTuck> OT: You rolled 10
03[22:53] * Wast changes topic to 'taijitu.org | Welcome to Taijitu, the BESTEST region for meat styluses | Quote of the Day: <@Allama> Sausages are incredibly versatile apparently | <OT> repeal 2-20 even consensus 1-19 odd | FriarTuck: OT: You rolled 10 | don't share logs'
[22:54] <@Wast> I HAVE RECORDED THE RESULT