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Author Topic: Taijitu Influence Rankings February  (Read 2343 times)

Offline Myroria

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Re: Taijitu Influence Rankings February
« Reply #15 on: February 27, 2015, 01:59:26 PM »
I think Delfos makes an excellent point. While I worry about adding too many things to score, an idea would be a "Proposal that gets added to final bill" metric. I know that, personally, I've added tons of people's suggestions to billls I've drafted and I would hate to get all the credit for that.
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Re: Taijitu Influence Rankings February
« Reply #16 on: February 27, 2015, 04:41:14 PM »
I think Delfos makes an excellent point. While I worry about adding too many things to score, an idea would be a "Proposal that gets added to final bill" metric. I know that, personally, I've added tons of people's suggestions to billls I've drafted and I would hate to get all the credit for that.

That really could make this even more interesting. :)
                                 
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Re: Taijitu Influence Rankings February
« Reply #17 on: February 27, 2015, 04:42:14 PM »
Gulliver, you're probably right about the code. I kept some raw numbers so that I could lightly experiment with what you were talking about with differing weights, but not all of them. Honestly, I stayed away from code because I'm such a bad coder I think I would've spent more time making the code than I would've saved by using it. Another problem is that I also only counted "successful" motions and seconds, so it would be difficult (especially for my dumb brain) to get a program that recognizes the success of a motion to vote as people sometimes continue threads afterwards. I also think a poll isn't a bad idea for gauging how well this did. I think to get at some of the noise we could aggregate rankings by those who were ranked. I might make one in the following days.

Myroria, looking back you're probably right about the thread starting. That may need to be downplayed in any further rankings, though I will still keep it as the most influential thing one can do. The reason I tried to stay away from too much of whether or not a proposal was successful was my own impatience. There were too many proposals up in the air that I thought were incredibly likely to pass and so I didn't want to wait until March in order to allocate points.

Bustos, you're right it wasn't just you. You just made it really obvious with your "+1" stuff. Also, just to let you know, a lot of the posts you included a "+1" would never have counted even if I didn't distinguish between regular and joke discussion. You posted a lot in things that were not proposal discussions and you posted in proposal discussions that already had finished. The first successful "second" is the last post that received any points in any thread.

Funkadelia, thanks! I'll keep doing it.

Delfos, I completely agree. I just hope that this gets at some of what I was trying to capture, which I think it does. I will definitely have a poll and see how those rankings compare to this. Though I feel like polls are subject to even more issues and problems than the ranking system, if they match up somewhat it's a vote of confidence for both.

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Re: Taijitu Influence Rankings February
« Reply #18 on: February 27, 2015, 06:47:29 PM »
Perhaps a poll of all current Ecclesia members with condorcet style ranking to gauge our perceived influence?

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Re: Taijitu Influence Rankings February
« Reply #19 on: February 27, 2015, 08:31:04 PM »
Perhaps a poll of all current Ecclesia members with condorcet style ranking to gauge our perceived influence?

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Re: Taijitu Influence Rankings February
« Reply #20 on: February 27, 2015, 08:46:30 PM »
I don't know how that differs from an election poll in terms of subjective preference, if you want more objective results you have to ask objective things. Either who do you think contributed for said issue, who has contributed for activity, who do you think is most active, things like that, this is a poll about perception on influence, not who you think is or should be the most influential. They might not differ much but you should be objective, there are a lot of techniques in regard to inquiries and there's plenty of free websites for said inquiries:

example that I've used before:
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Re: Taijitu Influence Rankings February
« Reply #21 on: February 27, 2015, 09:04:14 PM »
I don't believe there is any manner to objectively note influence. One cannot see the ways in which words of one take hold in another's mind. However we could create subjective methods ad infinitum with no bearing on absolute truth they could be amusing none the less.

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Re: Taijitu Influence Rankings February
« Reply #22 on: March 01, 2015, 03:49:17 PM »
This is certainly interesting. Most previous attempts at quantifying influence in NS have been through surveys, and having some objective data presents an alternative way of looking at what is otherwise an incredibly nebulous topic. As others have stated, the degree to which posts and visible discussion influence the course of legislation is often not clear. However, this ranking is a good place to start; you have generated a significant response from everyone here, and adding weightings and more specific categories to your ranking would create an even better product.

People always complain about the shortcomings of a pure quantitative or a pure qualitative approach to these analyses - so do both! A future ranking would be even more interesting if it included some measure of perceived influence that is missed by a strictly objective method.

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Re: Taijitu Influence Rankings February
« Reply #23 on: March 02, 2015, 04:24:02 AM »
I took multiple people's (Gulliver, al 'Khem, Bustos) advice and made THIS SURVEY. I agree with Delfos that it will entirely be people subjective opinions and that personal biases and preferences will be the real result of this survey. However, it will be interesting to see where this survey will differ from a quantitative approach and so I'm interesting in seeing the results. Keep in mind that I won't view your forum name at the same time as your responses and that I'll never publish your responses attached to your name.

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Re: Taijitu Influence Rankings February
« Reply #24 on: March 02, 2015, 09:29:16 AM »
I took multiple people's (Gulliver, al 'Khem, Bustos) advice and made THIS SURVEY. I agree with Delfos that it will entirely be people subjective opinions and that personal biases and preferences will be the real result of this survey. However, it will be interesting to see where this survey will differ from a quantitative approach and so I'm interesting in seeing the results. Keep in mind that I won't view your forum name at the same time as your responses and that I'll never publish your responses attached to your name.

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I suggest you make the same list with scales 1 to 3 or 1 to 5, it's more fair than ranking ordinarily each one, I got to the 2nd page and either forgot the names or didn't care anymore.
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